and when you do see them at the crag, they're a good gumby detector Huh, really? Most of the people I know who tie-in with the figure-8 use the standard overh

and when you do see them at the crag, they're a good gumby detector Huh, really? Most of the people I know who tie-in with the figure-8 use the standard overhand safety knot (or they pull the tail back through the bottom loop of the eight). Most of us have been climbing for decades. I guess old habits die hard?