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I don't understand what kind of bubble people are in if they think Russia is about to surrender soon. According to the Western media they were running out of a

• Balero 4y ago
  To be clear. I agree with you, I doubt Russia will surrender any time soon. The conclusion as far as food goes is that globally, plans should be made that do not count on any food from Ukraine, or Russia entering global markets. I just took umbrage that OP was seemingly (and probably unintentionally) putting the blame for the situation on Ukraine and not Russia.
  • ailef 4y ago
    My interpretation is that he phrased it like that because he sees Ukraine surrendering as the most likely scenario. Not to put blame or responsibility on Ukraine.
  • s1artibartfast 4y ago
    Innocent victims surrender all the time. I didn't read it as assigning blame or a moral position .
• daemoens 4y ago
  The goal was 100% of the country, not 20%. They've been stalled with little progress over the past month.
  • ailef 4y ago
    I've never heard the goal was 100% of the country. Can you point to a source?
    • daemoens 4y ago
      Putin's speech on February 24th, the day of the invasion > "To this end, we will seek to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation." How do you demilitarize a nation by taking only 20% of it? The only way to do this would be to capture the entirety of the country.
      • ailef 4y ago
        I was talking about official statements defining the goal as occupying 100% of Ukraine's. Taking an ambiguous word in a propaganda speech doesn't cut it. > How do you demilitarize a nation by taking only 20% of it? The only way to do this would be to capture the entirety of the country. Really? What if Ukraine surrenders and negotiates sovereignty over the remaining 80% of their territory while dismantling (or at least greatly reducing) the capabilities of their armed forces? That's just one of the possibilities that comes to mind which does not involve occupying the entire territory.
        • jazzyjackson 4y ago
          In what way is a president's speech not an official statement?
          • ailef 4y ago
            It's an official statement, it just doesn't say that the goal is occupying 100% of Ukraine.
            • daemoens 4y ago
              The idea that Ukraine would reduce the capabilities of their armed forces after 8 years of war with Russia in the separatists and constant training with NATO is nonsensical. They wouldn't have spent 8 years preparing for this war if they would just throw it all away. Clearly those years training weren't wasted because Russia has barely made any gains in the past month. Everyone was speculating the whole government would collapse in 24 to 48 hours. Now, 5 months in, and they've lost up to 80,000 soldiers for 20% of Ukraine.
• geoka9 4y ago
  > they were apparently able to occupy 20% of Ukraine's territory. On the other hand, they only took one big city in/since February and that's only because it wasn't defended by Ukraine.