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Gotta pay your fair share, so it can be granted out for someone elses gain

by Bloating 4y ago

beeboop 4y ago
Are you also concerned about your tax dollars paying for roads in the next neighborhood over?
- Bloating 4y ago
  The neighborhood developer paid for that. The roads connecting, donated many many years ago by the landowners at that time
  - bell-cot 4y ago
    Ah! - so the next neighborhood over has all-private roads, and the homeowners association there (not the government) pays for all snow plowing, crack & pothole patching, repaving, storm sewer work, etc. that might be needed?
    - hcurtiss 4y ago
      I get the point you're making, but to the facts, that is quite literally how many subdivisions work, and least in the western US.
      - bell-cot 4y ago
        In my corner of Michigan, there seems to be a very clear dichotomy on this: - Private developer builds a sprawling subdivision with plenty of nice wide roads and lots. (So a very large area of pavement per tax-paying property.) And turns the whole thing over to the city/village/township, to be their public road budget black hole forever more. - Private developer builds a very compact little development, with houses (or condo's) packed in like sardines along a rather narrow and minimalist Private Road.
    - sophacles 4y ago
      Ah yes, the HOA. A group of elected people that can compel you to do things with your property, require you to pay a share every year or they take your home, and have the ability to fine you if you don't comply with the majority opinion. Very much not a government in any way!
  - amazingman 4y ago
    Good thing roads are permanently in working condition!
xavxav 4y ago
Today you help finance someone’s fiber, tomorrow they help finance your hospital/fire dept/etc, that’s the whole idea of public works.
- Bloating 4y ago
  Sounds more like how crony politics for personal gain works. Alternatively, you could finance the hospital, fire depart, or whatever without an middle man siphoning off "their fair share"
  - reaperducer 4y ago
    Alternatively, you could finance the hospital, fire depart, or whatever without an middle man siphoning off "their fair share" This has already been tried. People used to subscribe to fire service, or ambulance service. It doesn't work, and is also bad for society. If you want people to only use the things they directly pay for, and not pay for shared things through taxes, then only drive on your own driveway. Don't drive on any roads outside of your cul-de-sac. Don't get your Amazon order delivered on state and federally-funded highways. Don't fly out of any big airport in America. Don't fly on any commercial airline, since they have all received taxpayer bailouts in the past. Don't use a bank. Don't use money. Hire a security guard to protect your property, and another one to follow you around every day. Get your water from a well on your own property. For an 88-day-old account to be this stunningly obtuse, I'm going with "troll," rather than "genuinely completely oblivious to how the world works."
    - thfuran 4y ago
      What does account age have to do with any of this?
    - Ancapistani 4y ago
      > People used to subscribe to fire service, or ambulance service. It doesn't work, and is also bad for society. That's interesting - FEMA says that 70% of the fire departments in the US are all-volunteer, and >90% have a volunteer component. https://apps.usfa.fema.gov/registry/summary#g https://apps.usfa.fema.gov/registry/summary#g I've lived in areas with volunteer fire departments that paid for their operations primarily with "fire dues" for most of my life. As far as I know, most volunteer departments operate like that. I had no idea they didn't work. I wonder if anyone has told them?
mmastrac 4y ago
This is literally how societies function - you contribute a small amount to the general pool, you use small amounts from the general pool. In some cases bigger chunks go for bigger works like ISPs or bridges. I certainly hope you don't want a world where every road, bridge and traffic light is independently owned.
- Bloating 4y ago
  Well, there is a lot of legal graft in society
  - westpfelia 4y ago
    Dont drive on roads I guess? Would hate to be apart of graft.
    - gowld 4y ago
      That's a good idea. Personal cars are a graft paid by the rest of society.
  - amazingman 4y ago
    What exactly are you advocating as an alternative? Leaving the unserved homes unserved?
    - 6figurelenins 4y ago
      "If you object to the government making shoes, he'll accuse you of making everyone go barefoot." https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dragonsteel/surprise-four-secret-novels-by-brandon-sanderson https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dragonsteel/surprise-fo...
- DavidAdams 4y ago
  Yeah, wait until you find out that some of your tax dollars go to pay for bridges you never use or to bomb people who never personally insulted you.
duncan-donuts 4y ago
This is also why USPS is crucial for rural areas. The Government should be subsidizing this work because if they don't people in rural areas are left behind.

Gotta pay your fair share, so it can be granted out for someone elses gain

beeboop 4y ago

Are you also concerned about your tax dollars paying for roads in the next neighborhood over?

Bloating 4y ago
The neighborhood developer paid for that. The roads connecting, donated many many years ago by the landowners at that time
- bell-cot 4y ago
  Ah! - so the next neighborhood over has all-private roads, and the homeowners association there (not the government) pays for all snow plowing, crack & pothole patching, repaving, storm sewer work, etc. that might be needed?
  - hcurtiss 4y ago
    I get the point you're making, but to the facts, that is quite literally how many subdivisions work, and least in the western US.
    - bell-cot 4y ago
      In my corner of Michigan, there seems to be a very clear dichotomy on this: - Private developer builds a sprawling subdivision with plenty of nice wide roads and lots. (So a very large area of pavement per tax-paying property.) And turns the whole thing over to the city/village/township, to be their public road budget black hole forever more. - Private developer builds a very compact little development, with houses (or condo's) packed in like sardines along a rather narrow and minimalist Private Road.
  - sophacles 4y ago
    Ah yes, the HOA. A group of elected people that can compel you to do things with your property, require you to pay a share every year or they take your home, and have the ability to fine you if you don't comply with the majority opinion. Very much not a government in any way!
- amazingman 4y ago
  Good thing roads are permanently in working condition!

xavxav 4y ago

Today you help finance someone’s fiber, tomorrow they help finance your hospital/fire dept/etc, that’s the whole idea of public works.

Bloating 4y ago
Sounds more like how crony politics for personal gain works. Alternatively, you could finance the hospital, fire depart, or whatever without an middle man siphoning off "their fair share"
- reaperducer 4y ago
  Alternatively, you could finance the hospital, fire depart, or whatever without an middle man siphoning off "their fair share" This has already been tried. People used to subscribe to fire service, or ambulance service. It doesn't work, and is also bad for society. If you want people to only use the things they directly pay for, and not pay for shared things through taxes, then only drive on your own driveway. Don't drive on any roads outside of your cul-de-sac. Don't get your Amazon order delivered on state and federally-funded highways. Don't fly out of any big airport in America. Don't fly on any commercial airline, since they have all received taxpayer bailouts in the past. Don't use a bank. Don't use money. Hire a security guard to protect your property, and another one to follow you around every day. Get your water from a well on your own property. For an 88-day-old account to be this stunningly obtuse, I'm going with "troll," rather than "genuinely completely oblivious to how the world works."
  - thfuran 4y ago
    What does account age have to do with any of this?
  - Ancapistani 4y ago
    > People used to subscribe to fire service, or ambulance service. It doesn't work, and is also bad for society. That's interesting - FEMA says that 70% of the fire departments in the US are all-volunteer, and >90% have a volunteer component. https://apps.usfa.fema.gov/registry/summary#g https://apps.usfa.fema.gov/registry/summary#g I've lived in areas with volunteer fire departments that paid for their operations primarily with "fire dues" for most of my life. As far as I know, most volunteer departments operate like that. I had no idea they didn't work. I wonder if anyone has told them?

mmastrac 4y ago

This is literally how societies function - you contribute a small amount to the general pool, you use small amounts from the general pool. In some cases bigger chunks go for bigger works like ISPs or bridges. I certainly hope you don't want a world where every road, bridge and traffic light is independently owned.

Bloating 4y ago
Well, there is a lot of legal graft in society
- westpfelia 4y ago
  Dont drive on roads I guess? Would hate to be apart of graft.
  - gowld 4y ago
    That's a good idea. Personal cars are a graft paid by the rest of society.
- amazingman 4y ago
  What exactly are you advocating as an alternative? Leaving the unserved homes unserved?
  - 6figurelenins 4y ago
    "If you object to the government making shoes, he'll accuse you of making everyone go barefoot." https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dragonsteel/surprise-four-secret-novels-by-brandon-sanderson https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dragonsteel/surprise-fo...
DavidAdams 4y ago
Yeah, wait until you find out that some of your tax dollars go to pay for bridges you never use or to bomb people who never personally insulted you.

duncan-donuts 4y ago

This is also why USPS is crucial for rural areas. The Government should be subsidizing this work because if they don't people in rural areas are left behind.