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My previous plan was 8c per kWh, it's now 16c per kWh. I live in Texas where you shop for rates. Before you're quick to crap on comments give a little benefit o

My previous plan was 8c per kWh, it's now 16c per kWh. I live in Texas where you shop for rates. Before you're quick to crap on comments give a little benefit of the doubt.

roflyear 4y ago
krzyk 4y ago
I wonder, is solar popular in Texas? From my vague memories it is quite sunny there.
- roflyear 4y ago
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  - epistasis 4y ago
    There's a big divide between politics rhetoric from political parties, and what's actually going on economically on the ground. Not only is Texas installing massive amounts of solar, wind, and battery storage, it's also mostly going into rural areas that are more politically conservative.
    - tstrimple 4y ago
      I wonder if they get the same conservative "No Industrial Solar" propaganda that pervades rural Iowa. A little bit of searching seems to indicate rural opposition to renewables to be fairly common. https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2022/01/27/backlash-against-renewables-surged-in-2021-with-31-big-wind-and-13-big-solar-projects-vetoed-across-us/?sh=407d7af3bb79 https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2022/01/27/backlash... Republican approval of renewable energy is also dropping year over year and is down 15% from 5 years ago. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/08/most-americans-support-expanding-solar-and-wind-energy-but-republican-support-has-dropped/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/08/most-americ... It seems there is a pretty clear divide in partisan and urban / rural support.
      - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
        Most rural people have no problem with industrial development unless it's highly polluting (and by "highly" I mean "orders of magnitude above and beyond what it takes to make people here hand wring"). Declining support for renewable energy seems to be a result of team politics.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    Painting with a pretty broad brush there. Rhetoric and reality frequently don't match. The strongest Trump-supporting conservative in my family happens to be one of the few of us who owns an EV, as well. Money talks.
  - mminer237 4y ago
    That's not true. 73% of Republican want more solar farms and 62% want more wind farms: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/08/most-americans-support-expanding-solar-and-wind-energy-but-republican-support-has-dropped/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/08/most-americ... This also tracks with my experience. I know tons of conservative people who are leasing their farms out to build windmills or installing their own solar panels.
    - tstrimple 4y ago
      Let's just ignore that the number of Republicans supporting renewables has dropped 15% in the last 5 years and is still trending down.
      - mminer237 4y ago
        Because of partisan divisions like the parent comment was trying to further. Conservatives have no ideological opposition to renewable energy, some are just starting to oppose it because "the team likes it" and politics is becoming more about tribalism than actual policy. If people stopped trying to paint people on the other side as "the enemy", we wouldn't have these kinds of issues forming.
- caseysoftware 4y ago
  Yes, Texas is the #1 producer of solar (by far) and #2 for wind. I had solar installed on our house last year - just before supply chain issues got really bad - and so far this summer, it's generated enough to power our house every day. Of course, not every circuit is connected to it though, so I get to deal with the bs of "net billing" but the capacity is there.
- bretpiatt 4y ago
  Both solar and wind are popular and growing. Texas generates more wind energy than any other state (in gigawatthours). I'm unsure if any other state has a higher percentage of their total production in wind. Texas is around 20% of total in wind on ongoing basis (and another few percent in solar). During recent heatwave solar and wind provided nearly 40%, " Several experts told CNN that it's owed in large part to strong performances from wind and solar, which generated 27 gigawatts of electricity during Sunday's peak demand -- close to 40% of the total needed." Source: https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/14/us/texas-energy-record-solar-wind-climate/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/14/us/texas-energy-record-solar-...
- _ea1k 4y ago
  At .08/kwh probably not, but at .16kwh, I'd bet they start gaining momentum very quickly!
sangnoir 4y ago
> My previous plan was 8c per kWh, it's now 16c per kWh Didn't ERCOT allow the Texas energy resellers to "recoup" the winterstorm losses (running into billions) from their customers over a decade? That increase was not primarily driven by inflation, but by good old socialization of losses while privatizing profits.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  Consumer price increases are inflation, no matter what drives them. And energy price inflation drives inflation in other sectors, again, irrespective of what is driving the energy price inflation itself.
  - sangnoir 4y ago
    > Consumer price increases are inflation, no matter what drives them. Yes, but I never argued it's not inflation. Most suppliers lean on the crutch that costs have gone up for them (due to supply constraints or inflation) so it can get recursive: some consumer price increases are driven by inflation - the most obvious being inflation of fuel increasing the price of shipping. The price increases on the Texas energy market deserves a special call-out because it's a hypocritical corporate bailout with public money on a so-called open energy market, without fixing the root cause. Throw in once-a-century storms happening every decade, and you got a stew going.

My previous plan was 8c per kWh, it's now 16c per kWh. I live in Texas where you shop for rates. Before you're quick to crap on comments give a little benefit of the doubt.

roflyear 4y ago

krzyk 4y ago

I wonder, is solar popular in Texas? From my vague memories it is quite sunny there.

roflyear 4y ago
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- epistasis 4y ago
  There's a big divide between politics rhetoric from political parties, and what's actually going on economically on the ground. Not only is Texas installing massive amounts of solar, wind, and battery storage, it's also mostly going into rural areas that are more politically conservative.
  - tstrimple 4y ago
    I wonder if they get the same conservative "No Industrial Solar" propaganda that pervades rural Iowa. A little bit of searching seems to indicate rural opposition to renewables to be fairly common. https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2022/01/27/backlash-against-renewables-surged-in-2021-with-31-big-wind-and-13-big-solar-projects-vetoed-across-us/?sh=407d7af3bb79 https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2022/01/27/backlash... Republican approval of renewable energy is also dropping year over year and is down 15% from 5 years ago. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/08/most-americans-support-expanding-solar-and-wind-energy-but-republican-support-has-dropped/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/08/most-americ... It seems there is a pretty clear divide in partisan and urban / rural support.
    - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
      Most rural people have no problem with industrial development unless it's highly polluting (and by "highly" I mean "orders of magnitude above and beyond what it takes to make people here hand wring"). Declining support for renewable energy seems to be a result of team politics.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Painting with a pretty broad brush there. Rhetoric and reality frequently don't match. The strongest Trump-supporting conservative in my family happens to be one of the few of us who owns an EV, as well. Money talks.
- mminer237 4y ago
  That's not true. 73% of Republican want more solar farms and 62% want more wind farms: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/08/most-americans-support-expanding-solar-and-wind-energy-but-republican-support-has-dropped/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/08/most-americ... This also tracks with my experience. I know tons of conservative people who are leasing their farms out to build windmills or installing their own solar panels.
  - tstrimple 4y ago
    Let's just ignore that the number of Republicans supporting renewables has dropped 15% in the last 5 years and is still trending down.
    - mminer237 4y ago
      Because of partisan divisions like the parent comment was trying to further. Conservatives have no ideological opposition to renewable energy, some are just starting to oppose it because "the team likes it" and politics is becoming more about tribalism than actual policy. If people stopped trying to paint people on the other side as "the enemy", we wouldn't have these kinds of issues forming.
caseysoftware 4y ago
Yes, Texas is the #1 producer of solar (by far) and #2 for wind. I had solar installed on our house last year - just before supply chain issues got really bad - and so far this summer, it's generated enough to power our house every day. Of course, not every circuit is connected to it though, so I get to deal with the bs of "net billing" but the capacity is there.
bretpiatt 4y ago
Both solar and wind are popular and growing. Texas generates more wind energy than any other state (in gigawatthours). I'm unsure if any other state has a higher percentage of their total production in wind. Texas is around 20% of total in wind on ongoing basis (and another few percent in solar). During recent heatwave solar and wind provided nearly 40%, " Several experts told CNN that it's owed in large part to strong performances from wind and solar, which generated 27 gigawatts of electricity during Sunday's peak demand -- close to 40% of the total needed." Source: https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/14/us/texas-energy-record-solar-wind-climate/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/14/us/texas-energy-record-solar-...
_ea1k 4y ago
At .08/kwh probably not, but at .16kwh, I'd bet they start gaining momentum very quickly!

sangnoir 4y ago

> My previous plan was 8c per kWh, it's now 16c per kWh Didn't ERCOT allow the Texas energy resellers to "recoup" the winterstorm losses (running into billions) from their customers over a decade? That increase was not primarily driven by inflation, but by good old socialization of losses while privatizing profits.

dragonwriter 4y ago
Consumer price increases are inflation, no matter what drives them. And energy price inflation drives inflation in other sectors, again, irrespective of what is driving the energy price inflation itself.
- sangnoir 4y ago
  > Consumer price increases are inflation, no matter what drives them. Yes, but I never argued it's not inflation. Most suppliers lean on the crutch that costs have gone up for them (due to supply constraints or inflation) so it can get recursive: some consumer price increases are driven by inflation - the most obvious being inflation of fuel increasing the price of shipping. The price increases on the Texas energy market deserves a special call-out because it's a hypocritical corporate bailout with public money on a so-called open energy market, without fixing the root cause. Throw in once-a-century storms happening every decade, and you got a stew going.