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"Christianity prohibited the coveting of your neighbor not because it would make God angry, but because it makes your life worse." Citation needed. It's one of

by YeahNO 4y ago

"Christianity prohibited the coveting of your neighbor not because it would make God angry, but because it makes your life worse." Citation needed. It's one of the commandments: “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male slave, or his female slave, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.” Exodus 20:17 (NASB). A book of magical thinking, created out of bronze age mythology, around a hateful, spiteful, capricious god is no basis for a system of philosophical world-view. You would be better served studying philosophy directly, rather than a book filled with misogyny, slavery, thought-crime and magic.

_gabe_ 4y ago
> You would be better served studying philosophy directly, rather than a book filled with misogyny, slavery, thought-crime and magic. Quite a hot take. Most famous philosophers lived in similar environments. I don't know how your environment precludes you from wisdom.
- YeahNO 4y ago
  Which famous philosophers incorporated magical thinking, thought-crime, misogyny and slavery into their philosophy? What is the wisdom imparted by officially sanctioned chattel slavery, wherein beating your slave to death is perfectly acceptable [as] long as they live a few days after the beating: "And if someone strikes his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for the slave is his property." Exodus 21:20-21 (NASB) -edited for typo.
  - willcipriano 4y ago
    > Which famous philosophers incorporated magical thinking, thought-crime, misogyny and slavery into their philosophy? Plato, father of most modern philosophy. You have a lot of reading to do my friend.
    - YeahNO 4y ago
      Yes, if you go back several thousand years, you can find such trash. I suppose I should have limited it to modern philosophers that are more relevant and less influenced by magical thinking to discourage lazy answers. You have not bothered to address the question of the VALUE of incorporating slavery, thought-crime, misogyny and magical thought into one's philosophy. Are you incapable of addressing the problem or do you realize you cannot justify it?
      - shepherdjerred 4y ago
        > I suppose I should have limited it to modern philosophers that are more relevant and less influenced by magical thinking to discourage lazy answers. I'm not sure how you can say the father of modern philosophy is a lazy answer. I think that you can find wisdom even in the presence of flaws. You can always gain something by studying the imperfect.
willcipriano 4y ago
Aristotle invented the logic that was encoded in the software you used to respond to my comment. He was also a racist. Do you cast your laptop into a lake? Jefferson argued that "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights", he also owned slaves. Do you argue that men are not equal? Take the good parts, leave the bad. Like it or not Christ was one of the great moral philosophers. His surmon on the mount was revolutionary for it's time[0]. You can read it without believing in the magic, in the same way you can read the Tao Te Ching or Art of War while not being a Taoist or a general. [0]if you aren't familiar check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3nN9-C1yKU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3nN9-C1yKU

by YeahNO 4y ago

_gabe_ 4y ago

> You would be better served studying philosophy directly, rather than a book filled with misogyny, slavery, thought-crime and magic. Quite a hot take. Most famous philosophers lived in similar environments. I don't know how your environment precludes you from wisdom.

YeahNO 4y ago
Which famous philosophers incorporated magical thinking, thought-crime, misogyny and slavery into their philosophy? What is the wisdom imparted by officially sanctioned chattel slavery, wherein beating your slave to death is perfectly acceptable [as] long as they live a few days after the beating: "And if someone strikes his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for the slave is his property." Exodus 21:20-21 (NASB) -edited for typo.
- willcipriano 4y ago
  > Which famous philosophers incorporated magical thinking, thought-crime, misogyny and slavery into their philosophy? Plato, father of most modern philosophy. You have a lot of reading to do my friend.
  - YeahNO 4y ago
    Yes, if you go back several thousand years, you can find such trash. I suppose I should have limited it to modern philosophers that are more relevant and less influenced by magical thinking to discourage lazy answers. You have not bothered to address the question of the VALUE of incorporating slavery, thought-crime, misogyny and magical thought into one's philosophy. Are you incapable of addressing the problem or do you realize you cannot justify it?
    - shepherdjerred 4y ago
      > I suppose I should have limited it to modern philosophers that are more relevant and less influenced by magical thinking to discourage lazy answers. I'm not sure how you can say the father of modern philosophy is a lazy answer. I think that you can find wisdom even in the presence of flaws. You can always gain something by studying the imperfect.

willcipriano 4y ago

Aristotle invented the logic that was encoded in the software you used to respond to my comment. He was also a racist. Do you cast your laptop into a lake? Jefferson argued that "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights", he also owned slaves. Do you argue that men are not equal? Take the good parts, leave the bad. Like it or not Christ was one of the great moral philosophers. His surmon on the mount was revolutionary for it's time[0]. You can read it without believing in the magic, in the same way you can read the Tao Te Ching or Art of War while not being a Taoist or a general. [0]if you aren't familiar check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3nN9-C1yKU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3nN9-C1yKU