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"How about establishing a country its citizens care for?" What does it even mean? Try googling the pre-war numbers of Ukrainians who left the country to work a

by gdy 4y ago

"How about establishing a country its citizens care for?" What does it even mean? Try googling the pre-war numbers of Ukrainians who left the country to work abroad. "Ukrainian army is revered" Yeah, so much that the Ukraine immediately banned Ukrainian men from leaving the country [0] and Ukrainian ministry of Defense wanted to disallow movement of potential conscripts around the country [1]. "Russians who consider (not without a point) their army to be a bunch of losers and criminals; nobody goes to army in Russia unless they got no other options" That was true 20 years ago in Eltsin's time and right after him, your information is seriously outdated. Please don't post the links to random people on twitter, post links to polls instead. "Russia can’t manufacture tanks anymore - and not because of electronics, but metallurgy" That was funny. Where do you get these jokes? [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-rules-keeping-men-in-country-undermine-war-against-russia-2022-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-rules-keeping-men-... [1] https://visitukraine.today/blog/611/the-ministry-of-defense-confirmed-the-cancellation-of-limitations-on-movement-through-ukraine-for-conscripts https://visitukraine.today/blog/611/the-ministry-of-defense-...

_kbh_ 4y ago
Russia is forcing conscripts into being contract soldiers and signing up people from prisons because their army is so good and everyone wants to be a soldier.
- gdy 4y ago
  You are misrepresenting a couple of isolated cases in the beginning of the war and what looks like fake news as full picture. Meanwhile in the Ukraine: "According to a July 11 report in Ukrainian media, Ruslan Onishenko, commander of the now-disbanded Tornado Battalion, was freed as part of President Zelensky’s scheme to release prisoners with combat experience. Along with an unwavering commitment to fascism, Onishenko is known as a psychopathic sadist who was involved in sexually assaulting children, brutally torturing prisoners, and murder. Onishenko’s release follows a February 27 order by Zelensky to free other convicted former Tornado members like Danil “Mujahed” Lyashuk, a fanatic from Belarus who has openly emulated ISIS and boasted of torturing captives for sheer enjoyment. According to Zelensky‘s decree, prisoners with combat experience would be allowed to “compensate for their guilt” by fighting in the “hottest spots.”" [0] [0] https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convicted-child-rape-torture-military/ https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convic...
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    I’d avoid using the gray zone as a source they are effectively just used to relabel RT and other Russian propaganda. And unless you seriously believe that Ukraine has genetically engineered super soldiers and black magic battalions you’d be a bit of a fool to believe what RT says. But if your fine to use the gray zone I’ll be happy to use RFERL and they are reporting that hundreds of people are being recruited from Russian prisons[0]. Vice is also reporting that Russian conscripts are being forced into contract soldiers because you cannot send conscripts to Ukraine[1]. Doesn’t sound like a couple isolated cases to me, sounds like a country in a meat grinder that’s desperate for soldiers. [0] https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-penitentiaries-recruitment-ukraine-war/31940102.html https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-penitentiaries-recruitment-... [1] https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/5dgqen/russia-conscripts-ukraine-invasion-volunteers https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/5dgqen/russia-conscripts...
    - gdy 4y ago
      I'd recommend to follow the links in the article and read Ukrainian reporting through google translate[0] and the dailymail reporting too.[1] "genetically engineered super soldiers and black magic battalions" What? I have no problem with RFERL if it cites its sources and I can judge their credibility. I'd recommend you do the same instead of picking the news source you like and blindly believing any bs it feeds you. "they are reporting that hundreds of people are being recruited from Russian prisons" There is no support for these numbers in the article and in the materials it links to. But it's possible that it is happening, the source (gulagu.net) is somewhat famous for exposing torture and rape in Russian prisons and deserves not to be rejected out of hand. It may be unwittingly retranslating disinformation anonymously reported to it, or it may be true. "Vice is also reporting that Russian conscripts are being forced into contract soldiers" That is an article from the first weeks of the war describing those isolated episodes. "a country in a meat grinder" It is meat grinder there, there is war there in case you haven't heard. Since there is no mobilization in Russia, Putin is conducting the special operation with contract soldiers and shady private military. [0] https://focus-ua.translate.goog/uk/amp/ukraine/521825-osuzhdennyy-za-pytki-byvshiy-kombat-tornado-onishchenko-vyshel-na-svobodu-eks-nardep?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://focus-ua.translate.goog/uk/amp/ukraine/521825-osuzhd... [1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10559879/Zelensky-reveals-prisoners-combat-experience-RELEASED-help-defend-Ukraine.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10559879/Zelensky-r...
- trasz 4y ago
  "Forcing conscripts" was a thing a couple of months ago. Now they are literally kidnapping people.

by gdy 4y ago

_kbh_ 4y ago

Russia is forcing conscripts into being contract soldiers and signing up people from prisons because their army is so good and everyone wants to be a soldier.

gdy 4y ago
You are misrepresenting a couple of isolated cases in the beginning of the war and what looks like fake news as full picture. Meanwhile in the Ukraine: "According to a July 11 report in Ukrainian media, Ruslan Onishenko, commander of the now-disbanded Tornado Battalion, was freed as part of President Zelensky’s scheme to release prisoners with combat experience. Along with an unwavering commitment to fascism, Onishenko is known as a psychopathic sadist who was involved in sexually assaulting children, brutally torturing prisoners, and murder. Onishenko’s release follows a February 27 order by Zelensky to free other convicted former Tornado members like Danil “Mujahed” Lyashuk, a fanatic from Belarus who has openly emulated ISIS and boasted of torturing captives for sheer enjoyment. According to Zelensky‘s decree, prisoners with combat experience would be allowed to “compensate for their guilt” by fighting in the “hottest spots.”" [0] [0] https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convicted-child-rape-torture-military/ https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convic...
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  I’d avoid using the gray zone as a source they are effectively just used to relabel RT and other Russian propaganda. And unless you seriously believe that Ukraine has genetically engineered super soldiers and black magic battalions you’d be a bit of a fool to believe what RT says. But if your fine to use the gray zone I’ll be happy to use RFERL and they are reporting that hundreds of people are being recruited from Russian prisons[0]. Vice is also reporting that Russian conscripts are being forced into contract soldiers because you cannot send conscripts to Ukraine[1]. Doesn’t sound like a couple isolated cases to me, sounds like a country in a meat grinder that’s desperate for soldiers. [0] https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-penitentiaries-recruitment-ukraine-war/31940102.html https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-penitentiaries-recruitment-... [1] https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/5dgqen/russia-conscripts-ukraine-invasion-volunteers https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/5dgqen/russia-conscripts...
  - gdy 4y ago
    I'd recommend to follow the links in the article and read Ukrainian reporting through google translate[0] and the dailymail reporting too.[1] "genetically engineered super soldiers and black magic battalions" What? I have no problem with RFERL if it cites its sources and I can judge their credibility. I'd recommend you do the same instead of picking the news source you like and blindly believing any bs it feeds you. "they are reporting that hundreds of people are being recruited from Russian prisons" There is no support for these numbers in the article and in the materials it links to. But it's possible that it is happening, the source (gulagu.net) is somewhat famous for exposing torture and rape in Russian prisons and deserves not to be rejected out of hand. It may be unwittingly retranslating disinformation anonymously reported to it, or it may be true. "Vice is also reporting that Russian conscripts are being forced into contract soldiers" That is an article from the first weeks of the war describing those isolated episodes. "a country in a meat grinder" It is meat grinder there, there is war there in case you haven't heard. Since there is no mobilization in Russia, Putin is conducting the special operation with contract soldiers and shady private military. [0] https://focus-ua.translate.goog/uk/amp/ukraine/521825-osuzhdennyy-za-pytki-byvshiy-kombat-tornado-onishchenko-vyshel-na-svobodu-eks-nardep?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://focus-ua.translate.goog/uk/amp/ukraine/521825-osuzhd... [1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10559879/Zelensky-reveals-prisoners-combat-experience-RELEASED-help-defend-Ukraine.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10559879/Zelensky-r...
trasz 4y ago
"Forcing conscripts" was a thing a couple of months ago. Now they are literally kidnapping people.