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> Feel free to repost it on any host that does not work with the US An obvious place to post this code and protocol would be on Ethereum, which is censorship r

> Feel free to repost it on any host that does not work with the US An obvious place to post this code and protocol would be on Ethereum, which is censorship resistant. This is what the original developers of TC have done, and the result is a contract that becomes immutable and accessible, and is now the target of the sanction. But I will not do that, as that would put me at risk of 30 years of jail time. I will also not post the code on Gitlab or another service, as the repercussions can be severe. Whether it is just my Gitlab account being deleted, or whether it is more significant like the US government investigating me, I do not want to put myself in that situation. However since you are the one saying there is no problem at all with it, I wonder if you would like to do that for us? > Yes, privacy to help hide your coins acquired through dubious means, we know that. It is sad that you default to assuming criminal behavior. The same argument is being made today by politicians and governments to try to add back doors to E2EE chat protocols and cryptographic signature schemes.

ohgodplsno 4y ago
>However since you are the one saying there is no problem at all with it, I wonder if you would like to do that for us? Unfortunately, most of the services I use comply with US law and would therefore be likely to remove the repository immediately. As a second, very unfortunate point, I don't give a shit about reposting a service whose primary purpose is money laundering. Very sorry about that. Maybe researchers could have thought for a second before putting all their efforts on what is widely known as a mixer made for money laundering. >It is sad that you default to assuming criminal behavior. My dude. 20% of the transactions going through Tornado Cash were for money laundering. The 80 other percent literally only serve the purpose of hiding the trails. If TC was used 100% for money laundering, everyone would still know that everything coming out is still illegal money. Having "legitimate" transactions going through (whether from privacy conscious users, or people sending legal money though to blur tracks) is a feature of every money laundering service.
- whatisweb3 4y ago
  My dude. It is not illegal to seek privacy on the internet, privacy is not a crime. Matrix, Tor, PGP, these are all beneficial tools for the world, used by people that are not criminals. These are also widely known as tools used by criminals.
  - ohgodplsno 4y ago
    It is indeed, not illegal to seek privacy on the internet. It's not illegal in real life either! However, if you end up seeking shelter in a known mobster joint, maybe don't be so surprised when it gets closed down, you get kicked out and you're considered suspcious for a while.
    - whatisweb3 4y ago
      lol. the same argument is being used by politicians to try and stifle development of Tor and E2EE chat apps - "only criminals need to use these privacy tools."
      - ohgodplsno 4y ago
        Zzzzz. You're not interested in accepting that you can be wrong, and conflate whole ecosystems with products in an attempt to blur the lines and sell your precious Web 3 future. Banning Tor as a whole is stupid, because it's not meant to be only used for that, and is a protocol. However, putting anyone who regularly posts on overthrowthegovernment.onion on a watch list is reasonable (even if they only posted pictures of kittens), as well as is closing the website, as much as possible, since it causes a net harm on society as a whole. Banning E2EE as a whole is stupid, because it's not meant to be only used for that, and is a protocol. However, raiding the office of the man that hosts the "Bring The 4th Reich" chatroom is reasonable, as well as closing it and keeping a close eye on anyone who participated is also reasonable (even if they only posted pictures of kittens), since it causes a net harm on society as a whole Banning cryptocurrencies as a whole is stupid, because it's not meant to be only used for that, and is a (bunch of) protocol(s). However, sanctioning the service that is mostly used to launder money (which comes from criminal activities) named tornado.cash is reasonable, as well as keeping an eye on everyone that participated (even if they only wanted to hide their transactions) since it causes a net harm on society as a whole. Welcome to the real world, where going to the seedy place where at least 1/5th of the people in there are engaging in criminal activities might get you in trouble. Feel free to look for a mixer that does a little bit of research on the source of the funds before taking them in. You are not entitled to privacy if your actions may cause harm or contribute to causing harm on society.

ohgodplsno 4y ago

>However since you are the one saying there is no problem at all with it, I wonder if you would like to do that for us? Unfortunately, most of the services I use comply with US law and would therefore be likely to remove the repository immediately. As a second, very unfortunate point, I don't give a shit about reposting a service whose primary purpose is money laundering. Very sorry about that. Maybe researchers could have thought for a second before putting all their efforts on what is widely known as a mixer made for money laundering. >It is sad that you default to assuming criminal behavior. My dude. 20% of the transactions going through Tornado Cash were for money laundering. The 80 other percent literally only serve the purpose of hiding the trails. If TC was used 100% for money laundering, everyone would still know that everything coming out is still illegal money. Having "legitimate" transactions going through (whether from privacy conscious users, or people sending legal money though to blur tracks) is a feature of every money laundering service.

whatisweb3 4y ago
My dude. It is not illegal to seek privacy on the internet, privacy is not a crime. Matrix, Tor, PGP, these are all beneficial tools for the world, used by people that are not criminals. These are also widely known as tools used by criminals.
- ohgodplsno 4y ago
  It is indeed, not illegal to seek privacy on the internet. It's not illegal in real life either! However, if you end up seeking shelter in a known mobster joint, maybe don't be so surprised when it gets closed down, you get kicked out and you're considered suspcious for a while.
  - whatisweb3 4y ago
    lol. the same argument is being used by politicians to try and stifle development of Tor and E2EE chat apps - "only criminals need to use these privacy tools."
    - ohgodplsno 4y ago
      Zzzzz. You're not interested in accepting that you can be wrong, and conflate whole ecosystems with products in an attempt to blur the lines and sell your precious Web 3 future. Banning Tor as a whole is stupid, because it's not meant to be only used for that, and is a protocol. However, putting anyone who regularly posts on overthrowthegovernment.onion on a watch list is reasonable (even if they only posted pictures of kittens), as well as is closing the website, as much as possible, since it causes a net harm on society as a whole. Banning E2EE as a whole is stupid, because it's not meant to be only used for that, and is a protocol. However, raiding the office of the man that hosts the "Bring The 4th Reich" chatroom is reasonable, as well as closing it and keeping a close eye on anyone who participated is also reasonable (even if they only posted pictures of kittens), since it causes a net harm on society as a whole Banning cryptocurrencies as a whole is stupid, because it's not meant to be only used for that, and is a (bunch of) protocol(s). However, sanctioning the service that is mostly used to launder money (which comes from criminal activities) named tornado.cash is reasonable, as well as keeping an eye on everyone that participated (even if they only wanted to hide their transactions) since it causes a net harm on society as a whole. Welcome to the real world, where going to the seedy place where at least 1/5th of the people in there are engaging in criminal activities might get you in trouble. Feel free to look for a mixer that does a little bit of research on the source of the funds before taking them in. You are not entitled to privacy if your actions may cause harm or contribute to causing harm on society.