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Who would ever want this? we are living in hell.

cloudking 4y ago
I think this was initially built to enable Google Docs commenting within Gmail, then expanded to third parties. The Docs feature is actually useful.
password4321 4y ago
Everyone who responds to indicate their attendance of a Google Calendar event?
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xd1936 4y ago
You get a flight booking email confirmation. It contains the day and time of your departure. Two weeks later, the flight takeoff time is moved up by an hour. It's nice to see that information reflected in the initial confirmation email when you go to look it up and find your confirmation number or whatever. That's off the top of my head...
- deno 4y ago
  Send another email with the same thread-id with the updated info and when you navigate in Gmail’s UI to the thread the most recent message is shown and the rest is collapsed. This is already possible. You could add some metadata to make this intentional, e.g. message-type: notification and message-obsoletes-id: <prev msg id>... something like that. The AMP’s schtick is to make emails into widgets. It’s not so much that it’s bad (potentially evil, though), but it makes email into a completely different thing. In my mind first it’s AMP, then Android Instant Apps or something, and before you know it you have DRM in your emails.
  - teddyh 4y ago
    > message-obsoletes-id: <prev msg id>... The “Supersedes:” header already exists.
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    - deno 4y ago
      I think it’s for X400 mapping https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2156 https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2156. Anyway I have never seen it used in an email. A by seen I mean I just grepped a whole bunch of messages looking for it ;)
      - teddyh 4y ago
        I believe that the “Supersedes” header comes from Netnews (a.k.a. Usenet): https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5536#section-3.2.12 https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5536#section-3.2.12
- davchana 4y ago
  I personally would prefer the current system. Initial email or no email changes ever. Initial email lists the original times. If changes, airline sends another new email.
- feintruled 4y ago
  I feel the fact that the flight changed time on you is also useful information. Say if they feel that because they can dynamically update the original email it absolves them of the need to specifically make you aware of this change. Then you miss a plane, with no proof they have even pulled the rug on you.
- leghifla 4y ago
  You receive an email for your flight: tomorrow at 10am. When you arrive at the airport, you are told the flight has already departed. "How is that possible, it is 9am and my flight is at 10am?" "No sir, your flight was at 8am" Checking your email, you see 8am and you have questions about your sanity
  - macintux 4y ago
    Exactly. Immutability has many virtues; this is the wrong direction.
  - _fat_santa 4y ago
    I could see this being useful for emails that send out coupon codes. If a coupon code is updated for some reason, that update can be pushed to the user without having to send them another email. The problem is cases of where you would want to update an email after it is sent is few and far between.
saos 4y ago
big corp and their marketing teams

I think this was initially built to enable Google Docs commenting within Gmail, then expanded to third parties. The Docs feature is actually useful.

password4321 4y ago

Everyone who responds to indicate their attendance of a Google Calendar event?

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xd1936 4y ago

You get a flight booking email confirmation. It contains the day and time of your departure. Two weeks later, the flight takeoff time is moved up by an hour. It's nice to see that information reflected in the initial confirmation email when you go to look it up and find your confirmation number or whatever. That's off the top of my head...

deno 4y ago
Send another email with the same thread-id with the updated info and when you navigate in Gmail’s UI to the thread the most recent message is shown and the rest is collapsed. This is already possible. You could add some metadata to make this intentional, e.g. message-type: notification and message-obsoletes-id: <prev msg id>... something like that. The AMP’s schtick is to make emails into widgets. It’s not so much that it’s bad (potentially evil, though), but it makes email into a completely different thing. In my mind first it’s AMP, then Android Instant Apps or something, and before you know it you have DRM in your emails.
- teddyh 4y ago
  > message-obsoletes-id: <prev msg id>... The “Supersedes:” header already exists.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - deno 4y ago
    I think it’s for X400 mapping https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2156 https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2156. Anyway I have never seen it used in an email. A by seen I mean I just grepped a whole bunch of messages looking for it ;)
    - teddyh 4y ago
      I believe that the “Supersedes” header comes from Netnews (a.k.a. Usenet): https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5536#section-3.2.12 https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5536#section-3.2.12
davchana 4y ago
I personally would prefer the current system. Initial email or no email changes ever. Initial email lists the original times. If changes, airline sends another new email.
feintruled 4y ago
I feel the fact that the flight changed time on you is also useful information. Say if they feel that because they can dynamically update the original email it absolves them of the need to specifically make you aware of this change. Then you miss a plane, with no proof they have even pulled the rug on you.
leghifla 4y ago
You receive an email for your flight: tomorrow at 10am. When you arrive at the airport, you are told the flight has already departed. "How is that possible, it is 9am and my flight is at 10am?" "No sir, your flight was at 8am" Checking your email, you see 8am and you have questions about your sanity
- macintux 4y ago
  Exactly. Immutability has many virtues; this is the wrong direction.
- _fat_santa 4y ago
  I could see this being useful for emails that send out coupon codes. If a coupon code is updated for some reason, that update can be pushed to the user without having to send them another email. The problem is cases of where you would want to update an email after it is sent is few and far between.

saos 4y ago

big corp and their marketing teams