> My problem with Kubernetes is my problem with with front-end web frameworks - they introduce too much complexity to the point of being esoteric for simple sys

> My problem with Kubernetes is my problem with with front-end web frameworks - they introduce too much complexity to the point of being esoteric for simple systems. Having seen all the ages of the web, I wouldnt support the attempt to shame frameworks like this. Fiddling the DOM is slow & causes bugs- the quasi-immediate mode version of the web we get so often now kicks ass. But to the discussion at hand- the fact that you are comparing something as singular & without peer as Kubernetes to web frameworks of which there are many many many betrays the insolidity of your argument. Web frameworks have their own style & choices, many of which are indeed fairly arbitrary. Kubernetes is nothing more than a single control loop pattern, applied again & again & again. It's opionion is simpler than most critics dare to understand. It's also a very very small pile of configuration to launch a webapp, typically. And this practice & understanding will scale not just "zero to one" but also "one to many". The time spent trying to avoid good useful tools & convince oneself to be selective & narrow in focus seems like a waste to me.