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Part of strategy is knowing what your organization is capable of, and not burning time and money trying to do something you can't execute effectively. I mean,

by tlb 4y ago

Part of strategy is knowing what your organization is capable of, and not burning time and money trying to do something you can't execute effectively. I mean, "make the fastest CPUs and GPUs and charge a premium" would be a great strategy if they could deliver. But in a world where they're struggling to keep up on the CPU side, pouring resources into GPUs could lose them both markets.

ncmncm 4y ago
But they need a decent-ish GPU to integrate on their CPU dies.
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  Do they? I can't remember the last time I sincerely used an integrated GPU, Intel or AMD, since they're too weak for my purposes. I only ever use them as a Lowest Common Denominator failsafe when troubleshooting. And for use cases (not necessarily mine) where low-end GPUs make sense, it's not like Nvidia and AMD don't sell bottom of the barrel GPUs that you (or OEMs) can buy for a Franklin each or something.
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    Laptops and netbooks.
    - Dalewyn 4y ago
      There is nothing stopping them from using discrete GPUs on the lower end. Don't tell me they don't have the physical space for another chip on the mobo either, because they do.
      - ncmncm 4y ago
        It just costs more. Netbooks are pretty price-sensitive, tablets moreso.
  - nyanpasu64 4y ago
    Integrated GPUs with shader support (Intel HD graphics, not GMA) are fine for web browsing and programming work, which is what I spend most of my time on. In laptops with switchable graphics, sticking with integrated graphics can save power consumption. And additionally they're not anywhere near as scalped/overpriced as discrete gaming GPUs, or as horrible value as low-end GPUs (I suspect some of the price comes from the cost of a display adapter and media decoder/encoder). Though integrated graphics are subpar for gaming or compute for sure.
  - ac29 4y ago
    Intel is the number 1 GPU vendor by volume. Integrated GPUs are good enough for the majority of PC users these days.

by tlb 4y ago

ncmncm 4y ago

But they need a decent-ish GPU to integrate on their CPU dies.

Dalewyn 4y ago
Do they? I can't remember the last time I sincerely used an integrated GPU, Intel or AMD, since they're too weak for my purposes. I only ever use them as a Lowest Common Denominator failsafe when troubleshooting. And for use cases (not necessarily mine) where low-end GPUs make sense, it's not like Nvidia and AMD don't sell bottom of the barrel GPUs that you (or OEMs) can buy for a Franklin each or something.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  Laptops and netbooks.
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    There is nothing stopping them from using discrete GPUs on the lower end. Don't tell me they don't have the physical space for another chip on the mobo either, because they do.
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      It just costs more. Netbooks are pretty price-sensitive, tablets moreso.
- nyanpasu64 4y ago
  Integrated GPUs with shader support (Intel HD graphics, not GMA) are fine for web browsing and programming work, which is what I spend most of my time on. In laptops with switchable graphics, sticking with integrated graphics can save power consumption. And additionally they're not anywhere near as scalped/overpriced as discrete gaming GPUs, or as horrible value as low-end GPUs (I suspect some of the price comes from the cost of a display adapter and media decoder/encoder). Though integrated graphics are subpar for gaming or compute for sure.
- ac29 4y ago
  Intel is the number 1 GPU vendor by volume. Integrated GPUs are good enough for the majority of PC users these days.