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The gist of the article has been a soapbox of mine for years. We wouldn't stand for "you can only send Gmail email to other Gmail users" (Fidonet people know),

The gist of the article has been a soapbox of mine for years. We wouldn't stand for "you can only send Gmail email to other Gmail users" (Fidonet people know), and shouldn't settle for similar with messaging. That said, this spam angle is an aspect I hadn't fully considered.

kazinator 4y ago
How easily can you mail a Google calendar item to Google user, using non-Google software?
- deadbunny 4y ago
  Doesn't it fall back to a .ics file?
- nl 4y ago
  Very easily. The ICS standard is supported by everything.
- x0x0 4y ago
  Calendar sorta works -- the meetings yes, but things like suggesting a new time or co-viewing calendars to find a time don't.
altairprime 4y ago
Google closed down their Jabber gateway because they couldn’t stop the endless flood of spam into their userbase. If they had instead required device identifier attestations to accompany all Jabber messages, they could have left that API open for everyone to use, and simply banned device identifiers used for spamming. I wish they’d done so, instead of just giving up and closing their doors to Jabber.
- zaik 4y ago
  Do you have any good source on why Google decided to shut down their XMPP service? I'd really like to read about it. Not sure about the spam thing, after all they also provide a federating email service.
  - MattJ100 4y ago
    This article has some context and links to original sources: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/google-talk-to-be-shut-down-on-june-26/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/google-talk-to-...
  - alxndr 4y ago
    How much effort/development have they put in to the spam detection on Gmail?
    - zaik 4y ago
      If you have the ability to detect spam in emails you can probably also detect spam in chat messages.
- dzikimarian 4y ago
  I used Google Talk actively at the time. Don't recall any spam.
- int_19h 4y ago
  I used Google Talk pretty much since the day it was released, and I don't recall any "endless flood of spam".
- aembleton 4y ago
  How hard is it to generate new device identifiers?
- account42 4y ago
  This idea that we need to rely on big Google to protect us is insane. Just make it so that messages from unknown contacts are not as annoying or even hidden entirely unless you go explicitly looking for them. You don't need to stop federation. You don't need device attestation. These don't benefit the user. They are only there to give the platforms more control.

kazinator 4y ago

How easily can you mail a Google calendar item to Google user, using non-Google software?

deadbunny 4y ago
Doesn't it fall back to a .ics file?
nl 4y ago
Very easily. The ICS standard is supported by everything.
x0x0 4y ago
Calendar sorta works -- the meetings yes, but things like suggesting a new time or co-viewing calendars to find a time don't.

altairprime 4y ago

Google closed down their Jabber gateway because they couldn’t stop the endless flood of spam into their userbase. If they had instead required device identifier attestations to accompany all Jabber messages, they could have left that API open for everyone to use, and simply banned device identifiers used for spamming. I wish they’d done so, instead of just giving up and closing their doors to Jabber.

zaik 4y ago
Do you have any good source on why Google decided to shut down their XMPP service? I'd really like to read about it. Not sure about the spam thing, after all they also provide a federating email service.
- MattJ100 4y ago
  This article has some context and links to original sources: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/google-talk-to-be-shut-down-on-june-26/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/google-talk-to-...
- alxndr 4y ago
  How much effort/development have they put in to the spam detection on Gmail?
  - zaik 4y ago
    If you have the ability to detect spam in emails you can probably also detect spam in chat messages.
dzikimarian 4y ago
I used Google Talk actively at the time. Don't recall any spam.
int_19h 4y ago
I used Google Talk pretty much since the day it was released, and I don't recall any "endless flood of spam".
aembleton 4y ago
How hard is it to generate new device identifiers?
account42 4y ago
This idea that we need to rely on big Google to protect us is insane. Just make it so that messages from unknown contacts are not as annoying or even hidden entirely unless you go explicitly looking for them. You don't need to stop federation. You don't need device attestation. These don't benefit the user. They are only there to give the platforms more control.