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> I'd rather live in a world with spam than a world where corporations get to decide what I run on my devices, and cripple a bunch of critical applications if I

> I'd rather live in a world with spam than a world where corporations get to decide what I run on my devices, and cripple a bunch of critical applications if I decide I want to, y'know, actually do whatever I want with the hardware I own. Egads, no. The abuse heaped on me by Apple pales in comparison to the spam phone calls and emails I get. If I start getting spam via iMessage, I'll be an extremely unhappy camper. It already happens with text messages and that's bad enough.

kelnos 4y ago
Sounds like other people in this thread already get a lot of iMessage spam, so I guess you've just been lucky? And it shows that this attestation junk doesn't actually curb the spam problem, so it's just an analogue of security theater. Anyhow, sure, if you want to give away your freedom to actually own your devices, just so you don't get spam... I guess that's your choice. I just don't want to be locked into a system where that's the only choice. Regardless, iPhones also receive SMSes. If it's impossible to spam over iMessage, they'll just use SMS. If it becomes impossible to spam over SMS, then presumably Apple can implement similar measures for iMessage that don't require us all to have hermetically-sealed, locked-down devices.
- eek2121 4y ago
  iMessage users don't get spam from other iMessage users. Also, iMessage lets you filter out 'known' and 'unknown' senders. Apple also will automatically flag/block certain messages if they are clearly spam.
  - phinnaeus 4y ago
    > iMessage lets you filter out 'known' and 'unknown' senders Nitpick, that's not an iMessage feature, but at "Messages" feature -- the app. The filtering applies to both iMessage and SMS.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  > Sounds like other people in this thread already get a lot of iMessage spam Same folks who didn't realize that all messages show up in the same color, the blue bubbles only happen when you send. They're getting SMS spam. > I just don't want to be locked into a system where that's the only choice. Who's locked in? I can and have switched back and forth between iPhone and Android devices. My contacts are sync'd between them, calendar, mail, all of it just works either way. Only reason I'm back on iPhone right now is because the churn (and by extension, TCO) is significantly lower. If the calculus changes on that, I'll jump ship again, no big deal.
  - paulryanrogers 4y ago
    > Who's locked in? I can and have switched back and forth between iPhone and Android devices. The cost to switch is not trivial for most of the world. And the cost of iPhones is high compared to the alternatives.
    - fastball 4y ago
      > The cost to switch is not trivial for most of the world. Why not? > And the cost of iPhones is high compared to the alternatives. Given that the discussion is about switching from Apple being hard, this seems like the opposite of the point you're trying to make.
      - paulryanrogers 4y ago
        > Why not? Because iPhones and Androids of comparable quality are not cheap. And many people don't know how to move their data and photos among devices regardless. > Given that the discussion is about switching from Apple being hard, this seems like the opposite of the point you're trying to make. You said you switched back and forth repeatedly. I was responding to that, since I view it as a luxury not everyone can afford. And folks who've sold an organ to get a blue bubble may have some sunk-cost fallacy to overcome even if they're only going from Apple to anything else.
  - kelnos 4y ago
BiteCode_dev 4y ago
Apparently PRISM has not been a wake up call. What do people need ? Apple coming and killing their cat ?
- fsflover 4y ago
  Even knowingly using child labor wasn't enough [0] - or people just don' know about it, so spread the word please. This is how Apple actually care about children unlike what their PR says [1]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25607386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25607386 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28309202 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28309202

kelnos 4y ago

Sounds like other people in this thread already get a lot of iMessage spam, so I guess you've just been lucky? And it shows that this attestation junk doesn't actually curb the spam problem, so it's just an analogue of security theater. Anyhow, sure, if you want to give away your freedom to actually own your devices, just so you don't get spam... I guess that's your choice. I just don't want to be locked into a system where that's the only choice. Regardless, iPhones also receive SMSes. If it's impossible to spam over iMessage, they'll just use SMS. If it becomes impossible to spam over SMS, then presumably Apple can implement similar measures for iMessage that don't require us all to have hermetically-sealed, locked-down devices.

eek2121 4y ago
iMessage users don't get spam from other iMessage users. Also, iMessage lets you filter out 'known' and 'unknown' senders. Apple also will automatically flag/block certain messages if they are clearly spam.
- phinnaeus 4y ago
  > iMessage lets you filter out 'known' and 'unknown' senders Nitpick, that's not an iMessage feature, but at "Messages" feature -- the app. The filtering applies to both iMessage and SMS.
rootusrootus 4y ago
> Sounds like other people in this thread already get a lot of iMessage spam Same folks who didn't realize that all messages show up in the same color, the blue bubbles only happen when you send. They're getting SMS spam. > I just don't want to be locked into a system where that's the only choice. Who's locked in? I can and have switched back and forth between iPhone and Android devices. My contacts are sync'd between them, calendar, mail, all of it just works either way. Only reason I'm back on iPhone right now is because the churn (and by extension, TCO) is significantly lower. If the calculus changes on that, I'll jump ship again, no big deal.
- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  > Who's locked in? I can and have switched back and forth between iPhone and Android devices. The cost to switch is not trivial for most of the world. And the cost of iPhones is high compared to the alternatives.
  - fastball 4y ago
    > The cost to switch is not trivial for most of the world. Why not? > And the cost of iPhones is high compared to the alternatives. Given that the discussion is about switching from Apple being hard, this seems like the opposite of the point you're trying to make.
    - paulryanrogers 4y ago
      > Why not? Because iPhones and Androids of comparable quality are not cheap. And many people don't know how to move their data and photos among devices regardless. > Given that the discussion is about switching from Apple being hard, this seems like the opposite of the point you're trying to make. You said you switched back and forth repeatedly. I was responding to that, since I view it as a luxury not everyone can afford. And folks who've sold an organ to get a blue bubble may have some sunk-cost fallacy to overcome even if they're only going from Apple to anything else.
- kelnos 4y ago

BiteCode_dev 4y ago

Apparently PRISM has not been a wake up call. What do people need ? Apple coming and killing their cat ?

fsflover 4y ago
Even knowingly using child labor wasn't enough [0] - or people just don' know about it, so spread the word please. This is how Apple actually care about children unlike what their PR says [1]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25607386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25607386 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28309202 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28309202