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Trust me when I say I've talked to plenty of candidates who I thought were great only to learn they couldn't actually code fizzbuzz. Talking to candidates doesn

Trust me when I say I've talked to plenty of candidates who I thought were great only to learn they couldn't actually code fizzbuzz. Talking to candidates doesn't work.

sys_64738 4y ago
You want programmers to do tricks and silly initiation dances which is your whole problem. If you actually asked real questions about their experience then you’d get a good grounding. I might do silly problems for a high profile employer but that’s likely not you. In which case if I tell you to stop wasting my time and walk out of your attempted initiation ritual then you won’t like it.
- gsibble 4y ago
  No worries.
  - sys_64738 4y ago
    Your tone speaks dividends about how you view programmers. Often when you ask why something is hard then you’re the problem, not them. Edit: FYI. The OP changed their initial reply from the condescending combative response to that below.
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ipaddr 4y ago
You might not be good at judging candidates. A good cto uses their gut and experience. An inexperienced or someone who doesn't have the gut uses tricks. Where do you fit? Have you taken any courses or worked with professionals to help you with this?
- jenscow 4y ago
  There are people who genuinely believe they are good at their job, when they're not. They're not bullshitting and the conversation is genuine. Just 10 minutes of coding (or attempting to), tells you they can't code. A little longer can tell you roughly how good they are. Experienced developers who can code have had the misfortune of working with people who couldn't pass this, and may appreciate that the members of their new team can. Where do you fit?
  - PainfullyNormal 4y ago
    There are ways of discovering if somebody can code without making them do fizzbuzz. This is a good process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfyWvJdsDRI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfyWvJdsDRI
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      - sys_64738 4y ago
        I once was in an interview and the interviewer said "We're going to play a game." I got up and left. Fizzbuzz is a dumb and useless game and if an interviewer uses that as the benchmark for hiring then they waste the interviewee's time.
        jenscow 4y ago
        5 minutes. Is your time is so precious, that you'd waste however long it to you to prepare and turn up to an interview, because the interviewer wants to double check you're not one of the many applicants who struggle at a simple coding problem?

Trust me when I say I've talked to plenty of candidates who I thought were great only to learn they couldn't actually code fizzbuzz. Talking to candidates doesn't work.

sys_64738 4y ago

You want programmers to do tricks and silly initiation dances which is your whole problem. If you actually asked real questions about their experience then you’d get a good grounding. I might do silly problems for a high profile employer but that’s likely not you. In which case if I tell you to stop wasting my time and walk out of your attempted initiation ritual then you won’t like it.

gsibble 4y ago
No worries.
- sys_64738 4y ago
  Your tone speaks dividends about how you view programmers. Often when you ask why something is hard then you’re the problem, not them. Edit: FYI. The OP changed their initial reply from the condescending combative response to that below.
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ipaddr 4y ago

You might not be good at judging candidates. A good cto uses their gut and experience. An inexperienced or someone who doesn't have the gut uses tricks. Where do you fit? Have you taken any courses or worked with professionals to help you with this?

jenscow 4y ago
There are people who genuinely believe they are good at their job, when they're not. They're not bullshitting and the conversation is genuine. Just 10 minutes of coding (or attempting to), tells you they can't code. A little longer can tell you roughly how good they are. Experienced developers who can code have had the misfortune of working with people who couldn't pass this, and may appreciate that the members of their new team can. Where do you fit?
- PainfullyNormal 4y ago
  There are ways of discovering if somebody can code without making them do fizzbuzz. This is a good process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfyWvJdsDRI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfyWvJdsDRI
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    - sys_64738 4y ago
      I once was in an interview and the interviewer said "We're going to play a game." I got up and left. Fizzbuzz is a dumb and useless game and if an interviewer uses that as the benchmark for hiring then they waste the interviewee's time.
      - jenscow 4y ago
        5 minutes. Is your time is so precious, that you'd waste however long it to you to prepare and turn up to an interview, because the interviewer wants to double check you're not one of the many applicants who struggle at a simple coding problem?