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> It is literally a part of her body. No comment on the general issue of abortion. Question remains for those who push this line as to which body part is that?

> It is literally a part of her body. No comment on the general issue of abortion. Question remains for those who push this line as to which body part is that? A fetus is clearly an organism growing inside of someone's body but it is not a "body part" of another organism.

0xbadcafebee 4y ago
It's a part of her umbilical cord at least, even if at the end of that umbilical is a weird collection of cells that will form a different entity. I think of it like cell division, where there is a weird process, and at some point there's kind of two organisms in one, until they separate, and then it's two different organisms (cytokinesis). Human pregnancy is absolutely bizarre and quite dangerous. Some weird facts: - Fertilization doesn't even happen until the 2nd or 3rd week. - Pregnancy can occur outside of the uterus, which quickly leads to ruptured organs and death for the mother. - 20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. - The fetus's cells float freely in the mother's blood plasma, which makes the mother a chimera. - A mother's blood can develop antibodies to rhesus antigens in the baby's blood, identifying the baby as a foreign invader. - A fetus's "coating" has genes that inhibit T-cells in the mother, which is the only way the mother's body doesn't destroy the fetus (which is an alien parasite to the mother/host). - Fetal stem cells can travel throughout the mother to repair things - or create an immune disorder. - Women grow an extra organ (the placenta) during pregnancy. - During development, a female fetus develops all the eggs the adult form will carry throughout its lifetime. - Amniotic fluid is fetus pee. - A fetus can't survive outside the uterus before 23-25 weeks.
- eternalban 4y ago
  > It's a part of her umbilical cord at least, even if at the end of that umbilical is a weird collection of cells that will form a different entity. I think of it like cell division, where there is a weird process, and at some point there's kind of two organisms in one, until they separate, and then it's two different organisms (cytokinesis). Is the umbilical part of the mother's body? "The umbilical cord develops from and contains remnants of the yolk sac and allantois. It forms by the fifth week of development, replacing the yolk sac as the source of nutrients for the embryo" per wiki. The process definitely reminds of parasitical organisms, in parts. > Human pregnancy is absolutely bizarre Honestly I still am having problems wrapping my head around the basic fact of existence. Reality is bizarre.
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trasz 4y ago
It doesn't matter - everyone has the right to decide what they don't want inside their bodies. It doesn't matter who or what that thing belongs to.

0xbadcafebee 4y ago

It's a part of her umbilical cord at least, even if at the end of that umbilical is a weird collection of cells that will form a different entity. I think of it like cell division, where there is a weird process, and at some point there's kind of two organisms in one, until they separate, and then it's two different organisms (cytokinesis). Human pregnancy is absolutely bizarre and quite dangerous. Some weird facts: - Fertilization doesn't even happen until the 2nd or 3rd week. - Pregnancy can occur outside of the uterus, which quickly leads to ruptured organs and death for the mother. - 20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. - The fetus's cells float freely in the mother's blood plasma, which makes the mother a chimera. - A mother's blood can develop antibodies to rhesus antigens in the baby's blood, identifying the baby as a foreign invader. - A fetus's "coating" has genes that inhibit T-cells in the mother, which is the only way the mother's body doesn't destroy the fetus (which is an alien parasite to the mother/host). - Fetal stem cells can travel throughout the mother to repair things - or create an immune disorder. - Women grow an extra organ (the placenta) during pregnancy. - During development, a female fetus develops all the eggs the adult form will carry throughout its lifetime. - Amniotic fluid is fetus pee. - A fetus can't survive outside the uterus before 23-25 weeks.

eternalban 4y ago
> It's a part of her umbilical cord at least, even if at the end of that umbilical is a weird collection of cells that will form a different entity. I think of it like cell division, where there is a weird process, and at some point there's kind of two organisms in one, until they separate, and then it's two different organisms (cytokinesis). Is the umbilical part of the mother's body? "The umbilical cord develops from and contains remnants of the yolk sac and allantois. It forms by the fifth week of development, replacing the yolk sac as the source of nutrients for the embryo" per wiki. The process definitely reminds of parasitical organisms, in parts. > Human pregnancy is absolutely bizarre Honestly I still am having problems wrapping my head around the basic fact of existence. Reality is bizarre.

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trasz 4y ago

It doesn't matter - everyone has the right to decide what they don't want inside their bodies. It doesn't matter who or what that thing belongs to.