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> The only sacrifice in that case would have been giving birth itself. You say that like this is trivial. Giving birth is literally life-threatening.

by Latty 4y ago

Clubber 4y ago
So is driving to the store, give me a break. Here ya go: In 2020, 861 women were identified as having died of maternal causes in the United States, compared with 754 in 2019 NHTSA projects that an estimated 42,915 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes last year It's good to keep some perspective when you say giving birth is, "literally life threatening."
- metadat 4y ago
  Please stop trolling. Step outside yourself for a moment and realize this is precisely the kind of discourse which greatly degrades the quality of the discussion.
- TheCoelacanth 4y ago
  Putting aside that completing a pregnancy is drastically more risky than a single drive to the store: You are never legally forbidden from hitting the brakes and deciding that a particular drive to the store is too risky and that you aren't going to complete it. You should have the same right to choose not to complete a pregnancy.
anchochilis 4y ago
My wife almost died earlier this year giving birth to our very much wanted child. She was in great health and had a normal pregnancy, then developed HELLP and related complications (DIC, kidney injury) while in labor. This took place at a world-class hospital in a major American city. We both believe she would have died had she been anywhere else. No should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term, ever.
artificialLimbs 4y ago
Maternal death during birth does happen, but odds are low. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/maternal-mortality/2020/maternal-mortality-rates-2020.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/maternal-mortality/2020...
- Latty 4y ago
  It isn't so low it's reasonable to force someone to take that risk, and often in abortion cases (young mothers in particular) it's significantly higher.

> The only sacrifice in that case would have been giving birth itself. You say that like this is trivial. Giving birth is literally life-threatening.

by Latty 4y ago

> The only sacrifice in that case would have been giving birth itself. You say that like this is trivial. Giving birth is literally life-threatening.

Clubber 4y ago

So is driving to the store, give me a break. Here ya go: In 2020, 861 women were identified as having died of maternal causes in the United States, compared with 754 in 2019 NHTSA projects that an estimated 42,915 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes last year It's good to keep some perspective when you say giving birth is, "literally life threatening."

metadat 4y ago
Please stop trolling. Step outside yourself for a moment and realize this is precisely the kind of discourse which greatly degrades the quality of the discussion.
TheCoelacanth 4y ago
Putting aside that completing a pregnancy is drastically more risky than a single drive to the store: You are never legally forbidden from hitting the brakes and deciding that a particular drive to the store is too risky and that you aren't going to complete it. You should have the same right to choose not to complete a pregnancy.

anchochilis 4y ago

My wife almost died earlier this year giving birth to our very much wanted child. She was in great health and had a normal pregnancy, then developed HELLP and related complications (DIC, kidney injury) while in labor. This took place at a world-class hospital in a major American city. We both believe she would have died had she been anywhere else. No should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term, ever.

artificialLimbs 4y ago

Maternal death during birth does happen, but odds are low. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/maternal-mortality/2020/maternal-mortality-rates-2020.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/maternal-mortality/2020...

Latty 4y ago
It isn't so low it's reasonable to force someone to take that risk, and often in abortion cases (young mothers in particular) it's significantly higher.