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Oh we call that thing a fetus. Babies are what some fetuses turn into, after there is an event called "birth".

vorpalhex 4y ago
Oh. Well that fetus at that point knew the sound of it's mothers voice. It had a preference for a dominant hand. It could taste the difference across foods mom was eating. It felt pain, the same way you and I felt pain. If you wouldn't inject a kitten or a puppy with meth just for fun, you probably shouldn't do it to a fetus either.
- sophacles 4y ago
  Sure, whatever you say - I think your claims are realistic. For example, your bit about a fetus (one floating in amniotic fluid) breathing was 100% believable. And the part where it was seeing light though the woman's body was down-right amazing "science".
  - vorpalhex 4y ago
    Actually I never mentioned sight - even once born babies have very blurry and rough eyesight (it might be near monochromatic but we aren't sure). They do breathe in the womb - both by getting oxygenated blood through the umbilical cord and by inhaling and exhaling amniotic fluid. This starts at 10 weeks. (Also why you see doctors flip babies after birth - to clear amniotic fluid from their respiratory system)
    - sophacles 4y ago
      > That felt it's lungs fail to process air and that slowly choked and felt pain everywhere in it's body until the lights dimmed You said this. You literally claimed that the fetus was breathing air. I will grant that the lights dimming might have been a metaphor, but in the context of a sentence suggesting the fetus was breathing air, I strongly doubt it wasn't literal.
      - vorpalhex 4y ago
        I deeply apologize for saying the dying baby full of meth breathed air and not amniotic fluid. I will aspire to do better next time when discussing the painful deaths of babies.
        sophacles 4y ago
        > painful deaths of babies 1. fetuses 2. citation needed. Meth is a drug that causes euphoria and (amongst other things) a general lack of concern for pain (if it's even noticed). Please stop making random things up and asserting them as true.
        vorpalhex 4y ago
        https://nihrecord.nih.gov/2021/10/29/meth-overdose-deaths-surge https://nihrecord.nih.gov/2021/10/29/meth-overdose-deaths-su... Meth kills thousands of people a year. It's a CNS stimulant.
        sophacles 4y ago
        I never said it didn't. You're arguing a strawman.
- selectodude 4y ago
  >If you wouldn't inject a kitten or a puppy with meth just for fun pretty sure we inject them with shit that kills them all the time. it's just pentobarbital sodium and phenytoin sodium instead of methamphetamine.
trebbble 4y ago
- sophacles 4y ago
  Correct terminology is important. Things like "heartbeat laws" that apply to embryos that don't actually even have hearts yet are the result of playing fast and loose with terms.

Oh. Well that fetus at that point knew the sound of it's mothers voice. It had a preference for a dominant hand. It could taste the difference across foods mom was eating. It felt pain, the same way you and I felt pain. If you wouldn't inject a kitten or a puppy with meth just for fun, you probably shouldn't do it to a fetus either.

sophacles 4y ago
Sure, whatever you say - I think your claims are realistic. For example, your bit about a fetus (one floating in amniotic fluid) breathing was 100% believable. And the part where it was seeing light though the woman's body was down-right amazing "science".
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  Actually I never mentioned sight - even once born babies have very blurry and rough eyesight (it might be near monochromatic but we aren't sure). They do breathe in the womb - both by getting oxygenated blood through the umbilical cord and by inhaling and exhaling amniotic fluid. This starts at 10 weeks. (Also why you see doctors flip babies after birth - to clear amniotic fluid from their respiratory system)
  - sophacles 4y ago
    > That felt it's lungs fail to process air and that slowly choked and felt pain everywhere in it's body until the lights dimmed You said this. You literally claimed that the fetus was breathing air. I will grant that the lights dimming might have been a metaphor, but in the context of a sentence suggesting the fetus was breathing air, I strongly doubt it wasn't literal.
    - vorpalhex 4y ago
      I deeply apologize for saying the dying baby full of meth breathed air and not amniotic fluid. I will aspire to do better next time when discussing the painful deaths of babies.
      - sophacles 4y ago
        > painful deaths of babies 1. fetuses 2. citation needed. Meth is a drug that causes euphoria and (amongst other things) a general lack of concern for pain (if it's even noticed). Please stop making random things up and asserting them as true.
        vorpalhex 4y ago
        https://nihrecord.nih.gov/2021/10/29/meth-overdose-deaths-surge https://nihrecord.nih.gov/2021/10/29/meth-overdose-deaths-su... Meth kills thousands of people a year. It's a CNS stimulant.
        sophacles 4y ago
        I never said it didn't. You're arguing a strawman.
selectodude 4y ago
>If you wouldn't inject a kitten or a puppy with meth just for fun pretty sure we inject them with shit that kills them all the time. it's just pentobarbital sodium and phenytoin sodium instead of methamphetamine.

trebbble 4y ago

sophacles 4y ago
Correct terminology is important. Things like "heartbeat laws" that apply to embryos that don't actually even have hearts yet are the result of playing fast and loose with terms.