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Making excuses for the state or making excuses for Facebook? Because I will apologize for Facebook in this case all day long. Not because I think their motives

Making excuses for the state or making excuses for Facebook? Because I will apologize for Facebook in this case all day long. Not because I think their motives are pure. But because they are behaving exactly as the system incentivizes them. And to me, this is the most clear example of why Roe was a good precedent. Because a big part of laws is how they are enforced and there was a for some time a pro-democracy court which believed this was relevant. And now there is a legal absolutist court which believes that the letter of law is imporant and how a law is enforced can be regarded free of context at another time. But the tools of the state are blunt and this can be reason as much as justice for choosing what is and is not a crime. And to blame Facebook in this case rather than to accept that the consequence of laws is state violence is a way of deceiving oneself.

enduser 4y ago
Facebook lied about privacy.
- DubiousPusher 4y ago
  Corporations are amoral constructs. The expectation that they will behave morally and that they therefore deserve moral reciprocity is the greatest mass deception of our time. You have one legal mechanism for enforcing good behavior upon capital, democracy.
  - staticassertion 4y ago
    > Corporations are amoral constructs. Such nonsense. Corporations are a legal entity, they exist on paper. Facebook is people. People make decisions. People are not amoral.
    - DubiousPusher 4y ago
      There are countless examples of individuals placing the welfare of the corporation above their own personal morality. The same happens within the armed forces, the police, governments, religious institutions, etc. If you think there is sufficient historical precedent to believe that shaming corporations into good behavior is an effective long term way to protect individuals then we simply disagree. I think you're wrong and believe that law is the only mechanism to ensure their behavior is pro-social. To me, complaining about the bad behavior of capital is like being angry at the sun for burning you. IMO, you're only real option is to protect yourself.
  - enduser 4y ago
    Those who populate, benefit from, and speak for corporations are human. I do expect humans to behave with morals—it’s what separates us from animals.
    - DubiousPusher 4y ago
      And yet we find that they so seldom do. Again and again the people must use the law to -stop them from poisoning people -stop them from lying to people -stop them from endangering workers -stop them from endangering their customers -stop them from exploiting ecosystems unto failure -stop them from manipulating workers -stop them from extorting workers -stop them from enslaving people

enduser 4y ago

Facebook lied about privacy.

DubiousPusher 4y ago
Corporations are amoral constructs. The expectation that they will behave morally and that they therefore deserve moral reciprocity is the greatest mass deception of our time. You have one legal mechanism for enforcing good behavior upon capital, democracy.
- staticassertion 4y ago
  > Corporations are amoral constructs. Such nonsense. Corporations are a legal entity, they exist on paper. Facebook is people. People make decisions. People are not amoral.
  - DubiousPusher 4y ago
    There are countless examples of individuals placing the welfare of the corporation above their own personal morality. The same happens within the armed forces, the police, governments, religious institutions, etc. If you think there is sufficient historical precedent to believe that shaming corporations into good behavior is an effective long term way to protect individuals then we simply disagree. I think you're wrong and believe that law is the only mechanism to ensure their behavior is pro-social. To me, complaining about the bad behavior of capital is like being angry at the sun for burning you. IMO, you're only real option is to protect yourself.
- enduser 4y ago
  Those who populate, benefit from, and speak for corporations are human. I do expect humans to behave with morals—it’s what separates us from animals.
  - DubiousPusher 4y ago
    And yet we find that they so seldom do. Again and again the people must use the law to -stop them from poisoning people -stop them from lying to people -stop them from endangering workers -stop them from endangering their customers -stop them from exploiting ecosystems unto failure -stop them from manipulating workers -stop them from extorting workers -stop them from enslaving people