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That logic cuts both ways. There are a lot of people in this country who genuinely believe that abortion is murder, and that's why we are in this mess in the f

That logic cuts both ways. There are a lot of people in this country who genuinely believe that abortion is murder, and that's why we are in this mess in the first place. Those people believe laws that permit abortion are unjust and deeply immoral -- should they start using that as an excuse to punish people who legally obtained abortions, blockade clinics, etc.? In a country with widely divergent religious and political views, we would end up with anarchy if everyone started disobeying laws they believed were unjust.

worik 4y ago
> should they start using that as an excuse to punish people who legally obtained abortions, blockade clinics, etc.? That is exactly what many are doing. The logic doe cut both ways. We need to protect people wherever we find them. The rule of law is a good thing, but to pretend that it is an absolute thing is to be a party to tyranny
a_shovel 4y ago
One can believe abortion (or laws against abortion, for that matter) to be unjust, while also laws against vigilante violence to be just, and thus refrain from that kind of action. One can also believe vigilante violence against people given abortions to be just, and thus justify such actions against them. In which case, the question is, "What should someone whose moral code is opposed to yours do?" Which in my opinion is a silly question. For this to lead to anarchy, it must be the case that a significant number of people avoid causing anarchy for the sole reason of following the law for its own sake, without consideration for any punishment for violating the law.
- twblalock 4y ago
  > One can also believe vigilante violence against people given abortions to be just, and thus justify such actions against them. In which case, the question is, "What should someone whose moral code is opposed to yours do?" Which in my opinion is a silly question. No, it's not a silly question. It is the reason we need to have laws.

worik 4y ago

> should they start using that as an excuse to punish people who legally obtained abortions, blockade clinics, etc.? That is exactly what many are doing. The logic doe cut both ways. We need to protect people wherever we find them. The rule of law is a good thing, but to pretend that it is an absolute thing is to be a party to tyranny

a_shovel 4y ago

One can believe abortion (or laws against abortion, for that matter) to be unjust, while also laws against vigilante violence to be just, and thus refrain from that kind of action. One can also believe vigilante violence against people given abortions to be just, and thus justify such actions against them. In which case, the question is, "What should someone whose moral code is opposed to yours do?" Which in my opinion is a silly question. For this to lead to anarchy, it must be the case that a significant number of people avoid causing anarchy for the sole reason of following the law for its own sake, without consideration for any punishment for violating the law.

twblalock 4y ago
> One can also believe vigilante violence against people given abortions to be just, and thus justify such actions against them. In which case, the question is, "What should someone whose moral code is opposed to yours do?" Which in my opinion is a silly question. No, it's not a silly question. It is the reason we need to have laws.