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> Why should they? That isn't their target audience. Because they need it? Apple discontinued macOS server, i bet they use Linux in some of their servers All

> Why should they? That isn't their target audience. Because they need it? Apple discontinued macOS server, i bet they use Linux in some of their servers All their networking related libs are available and tested for Linux [1, 2, 3] Let's not forget that they package Swift for Linux, and now also for Windows [4] Swift is a cross-platform language (you not wanting to understand it doesn't change this fact), it's not a macOS framework [1] - https://github.com/apple/swift-nio https://github.com/apple/swift-nio [2] - https://github.com/apple/swift-protobuf/blob/main/.github/workflows/build.yml#L14 https://github.com/apple/swift-protobuf/blob/main/.github/wo... [3] - https://github.com/apple/swift-distributed-actors/search?q=linux https://github.com/apple/swift-distributed-actors/search?q=l... [4] - https://forums.swift.org/t/announcing-swift-5-6-2-for-linux-and-windows/58167 https://forums.swift.org/t/announcing-swift-5-6-2-for-linux-...

pjmlp 4y ago
That is charity to pay lip service to FOSS folks, just like the Darwin repos. Most of the work on Linux and Windows isn't made by Apple employees.
- Kukumber 4y ago
  So you want a language fully owned by a company with 0 external contributors? History tells us that it is not a good idea ;) And your statement is not true at all, look at the commit history
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    It has gone quite alright for Objective-C, .NET, and plenty of others. Heck even C was fully owned by a company until UNIX V6 happened.
    - Kukumber 4y ago
      objective-c is living its final years .net would have been dead without the community driven mono effort C "was", it would have been dead if it was still Notice the pattern?
      - pjmlp 4y ago
        Objective-C only matters thanks Apple ecosystem. No one in the .NET world cared about mono, and if they hadn't be bought from Microsoft, they would already be doing something else, it isn't as if Xamarin and Unity were making them rich. C only got adopted, because companies got into commercial UNIX workstations and it came with them, on the base install. Until Sun introduced the concept of UNIX user and developer editions, no one cared GCC existed. Notice the pattern?
      - rvz 4y ago
        No. I don't see this pattern with Golang. Did the community or external contributors implement generics into the language or did they wait for years for the core developers at Google to do it? Was WASM support a community driven effort from design to implementation or was it the core developers that did all the work? It appears that 99.99% of the work and proposals have been implemented by the core developer team at Google.

pjmlp 4y ago

That is charity to pay lip service to FOSS folks, just like the Darwin repos. Most of the work on Linux and Windows isn't made by Apple employees.

Kukumber 4y ago
So you want a language fully owned by a company with 0 external contributors? History tells us that it is not a good idea ;) And your statement is not true at all, look at the commit history
- pjmlp 4y ago
  It has gone quite alright for Objective-C, .NET, and plenty of others. Heck even C was fully owned by a company until UNIX V6 happened.
  - Kukumber 4y ago
    objective-c is living its final years .net would have been dead without the community driven mono effort C "was", it would have been dead if it was still Notice the pattern?
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      Objective-C only matters thanks Apple ecosystem. No one in the .NET world cared about mono, and if they hadn't be bought from Microsoft, they would already be doing something else, it isn't as if Xamarin and Unity were making them rich. C only got adopted, because companies got into commercial UNIX workstations and it came with them, on the base install. Until Sun introduced the concept of UNIX user and developer editions, no one cared GCC existed. Notice the pattern?
    - rvz 4y ago
      No. I don't see this pattern with Golang. Did the community or external contributors implement generics into the language or did they wait for years for the core developers at Google to do it? Was WASM support a community driven effort from design to implementation or was it the core developers that did all the work? It appears that 99.99% of the work and proposals have been implemented by the core developer team at Google.