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I don't think we want Facebook to decide which laws are unjust.

by vlunkr 4y ago

woodruffw 4y ago
Nobody is asking Facebook to decide; Facebook is being told which laws are unjust.
- ben_w 4y ago
  Facebook are being told which laws are unjust by multiple different groups (not just on the topic of abortion) who disagree about everything other than that Facebook is pure evil for allowing the other lot to say anything.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    This is not a normative statement: I'm not saying which group Facebook should listen to. Only that everybody (except for Facebook themselves) agrees that Facebook should not be making the decision.
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worik 4y ago
I am asking that Facebook takes a principled stand. Judging from the reaction of Meta they realise that it was a mistake not to enable the "host proof" encryption protocols - like Signal, and what Whats APp was supposed to be (is it still?) - across the communication tools They have exposed themselves to this - being complicate in what is starting to look like an organised campaign against women - they deserve our condemnation
- prepend 4y ago
  > I am asking that Facebook takes a principled stand. It would be interesting to see it play out, but a company refusing to comply with a search warrant will likely result in really bad stuff for the company. Like officers in prison and conviction of crimes like Arthur Anderson during the Enron scandal. I don’t see an opportunity here for Facebook to “take a stand” unless Zuck wanted to burn the company down. That’s not realistic. And I think calling for companies to act illegally is a slippery slope I don’t want to get onto.
  - michaelmrose 4y ago
    Real people without expensive teams of lawyers and wealth to fall back on risked jail, beating, and lynching to sit at a lunch counter. I'm sorry that the officers of Meta are men of little courage and worth.
hnbad 4y ago
This kind of moral posturing may feel satisfying but that kind of reasoning is literally why in Germany we're 80 years later still cleaning up the mess of companies benefitting from forced labor under entirely legal-at-the-time public-private partnerships. Facebook doesn't get to decide which laws are unjust. But Facebook gets to decide which laws it considers unjust and how it wants to deal with them. If big corporations can decide they consider tax laws unjust and want to avoid them as much as possible, they can also consider laws unjust that impact other people.

I don't think we want Facebook to decide which laws are unjust.

by vlunkr 4y ago

I don't think we want Facebook to decide which laws are unjust.

woodruffw 4y ago

Nobody is asking Facebook to decide; Facebook is being told which laws are unjust.

ben_w 4y ago
Facebook are being told which laws are unjust by multiple different groups (not just on the topic of abortion) who disagree about everything other than that Facebook is pure evil for allowing the other lot to say anything.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  This is not a normative statement: I'm not saying which group Facebook should listen to. Only that everybody (except for Facebook themselves) agrees that Facebook should not be making the decision.
  - deleted 4y ago
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worik 4y ago

I am asking that Facebook takes a principled stand. Judging from the reaction of Meta they realise that it was a mistake not to enable the "host proof" encryption protocols - like Signal, and what Whats APp was supposed to be (is it still?) - across the communication tools They have exposed themselves to this - being complicate in what is starting to look like an organised campaign against women - they deserve our condemnation

prepend 4y ago
> I am asking that Facebook takes a principled stand. It would be interesting to see it play out, but a company refusing to comply with a search warrant will likely result in really bad stuff for the company. Like officers in prison and conviction of crimes like Arthur Anderson during the Enron scandal. I don’t see an opportunity here for Facebook to “take a stand” unless Zuck wanted to burn the company down. That’s not realistic. And I think calling for companies to act illegally is a slippery slope I don’t want to get onto.
- michaelmrose 4y ago
  Real people without expensive teams of lawyers and wealth to fall back on risked jail, beating, and lynching to sit at a lunch counter. I'm sorry that the officers of Meta are men of little courage and worth.

hnbad 4y ago

This kind of moral posturing may feel satisfying but that kind of reasoning is literally why in Germany we're 80 years later still cleaning up the mess of companies benefitting from forced labor under entirely legal-at-the-time public-private partnerships. Facebook doesn't get to decide which laws are unjust. But Facebook gets to decide which laws it considers unjust and how it wants to deal with them. If big corporations can decide they consider tax laws unjust and want to avoid them as much as possible, they can also consider laws unjust that impact other people.