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I can think of 0 reasons why the “police should investigate that” Why?

vorpalhex 4y ago
If you have a miscarriage you don't normally dodge medical attention, fail to report it, and then bury the remains quietly in an unmarked grave.
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- chmod775 4y ago
  A miscarriage can be a very traumatic event. You can't expect someone to act in any way rationally afterwards. In this case it's a bit more suspicious, but it's not an unlikely explanation by itself.
  - vorpalhex 4y ago
    If you are burying a body in the woods, it seems like Police should check it out. They did. They found messages of the girl self aborting well into viability and then planning to hide the body.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  You do if you reasonably fear you're going to be criminalized for seeking medical attention. Here's an example from a few years ago (so reporting is not shaped by current events), and you can find many more recent examples. https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/11/8/20954980/stillbirth-miscarriage-murder-abortion-chelsea-becker-news https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/11/8/20954980/stillbirth...
  - vorpalhex 4y ago
    Doing meth to the point that it kills your baby is in fact murder.
    - anigbrowl 4y ago
      Not unless you can prove intent, which is probably why the case was dismissed - https://www.ktvu.com/news/murder-case-of-meth-user-who-delivered-stillbirth-dismissed https://www.ktvu.com/news/murder-case-of-meth-user-who-deliv... In any case, such nuance is likely beyond the grasp of a 17 year old. I think you are well aware that this doesn't always yield simple seeming edge cases and that you are capable of looking into other examples but chose not to. Here's some more. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61995250 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61995250
    - sophacles 4y ago
      - vorpalhex 4y ago
        sophacles 4y ago
        Oh we call that thing a fetus. Babies are what some fetuses turn into, after there is an event called "birth".
        vorpalhex 4y ago
        Oh. Well that fetus at that point knew the sound of it's mothers voice. It had a preference for a dominant hand. It could taste the difference across foods mom was eating. It felt pain, the same way you and I felt pain. If you wouldn't inject a kitten or a puppy with meth just for fun, you probably shouldn't do it to a fetus either.
        sophacles 4y ago
        Sure, whatever you say - I think your claims are realistic. For example, your bit about a fetus (one floating in amniotic fluid) breathing was 100% believable. And the part where it was seeing light though the woman's body was down-right amazing "science".
- devindotcom 4y ago
  Have you had a lot of miscarriages?
  - vorpalhex 4y ago
    Have you buried a lot of bodies in the woods?
willcipriano 4y ago
Given she is underage and pregnant, who made her pregnant? Why are they so desperate to conceal the evidence of the miscarriage, to the point where they burned the body, was it to prevent DNA testing? That's just the tip of the iceberg here. It needs to be understood why they took this course of action.
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- beeboop 4y ago
  A teenager getting pregnant from another teenager is extremely common, and likely more common than the alternative. Burning a body is also an extremely traditional, something like 60% of Americans are cremated. Suggesting the police need to be involved in totally ordinary circumstances seems silly to me.
- hparadiz 4y ago
  - willcipriano 4y ago
    > The idea that all of those instances require an investigation Only the ones where the woman who is pregnant is underage and someone decides to burn the body. Her mother not taking her to the hospital is neglect at a minimum. A miscarriage at that point could easily result in death.
    - hparadiz 4y ago
      It's wild what people on HN will write from a position of privilege. Because everyone has the money to just go to the hospital. Plus everything you just wrote is a deterrent for women to seek care. If you know you'll be criminally investigated for a miscarriage even if you did nothing wrong you'll think twice before seeking care. Which of course means more women will die. But by all means continue with your "investigations".
remarkEon 4y ago
Was she coerced into inducing the miscarriage and then into hiding the remains. Fairly obvious question, among others.
AlanYx 4y ago
The police exhumed the body because the 22-year old man who helped bury the body made a police report. The police didn't seek the Facebook search warrant until after they exhumed the body and found evidence the body was burned.

If you have a miscarriage you don't normally dodge medical attention, fail to report it, and then bury the remains quietly in an unmarked grave.

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chmod775 4y ago
A miscarriage can be a very traumatic event. You can't expect someone to act in any way rationally afterwards. In this case it's a bit more suspicious, but it's not an unlikely explanation by itself.
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  If you are burying a body in the woods, it seems like Police should check it out. They did. They found messages of the girl self aborting well into viability and then planning to hide the body.
anigbrowl 4y ago
You do if you reasonably fear you're going to be criminalized for seeking medical attention. Here's an example from a few years ago (so reporting is not shaped by current events), and you can find many more recent examples. https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/11/8/20954980/stillbirth-miscarriage-murder-abortion-chelsea-becker-news https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/11/8/20954980/stillbirth...
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  Doing meth to the point that it kills your baby is in fact murder.
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    Not unless you can prove intent, which is probably why the case was dismissed - https://www.ktvu.com/news/murder-case-of-meth-user-who-delivered-stillbirth-dismissed https://www.ktvu.com/news/murder-case-of-meth-user-who-deliv... In any case, such nuance is likely beyond the grasp of a 17 year old. I think you are well aware that this doesn't always yield simple seeming edge cases and that you are capable of looking into other examples but chose not to. Here's some more. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61995250 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61995250
  - sophacles 4y ago
    - vorpalhex 4y ago
      - sophacles 4y ago
        Oh we call that thing a fetus. Babies are what some fetuses turn into, after there is an event called "birth".
        vorpalhex 4y ago
        Oh. Well that fetus at that point knew the sound of it's mothers voice. It had a preference for a dominant hand. It could taste the difference across foods mom was eating. It felt pain, the same way you and I felt pain. If you wouldn't inject a kitten or a puppy with meth just for fun, you probably shouldn't do it to a fetus either.
        sophacles 4y ago
        Sure, whatever you say - I think your claims are realistic. For example, your bit about a fetus (one floating in amniotic fluid) breathing was 100% believable. And the part where it was seeing light though the woman's body was down-right amazing "science".
devindotcom 4y ago
Have you had a lot of miscarriages?
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  Have you buried a lot of bodies in the woods?

willcipriano 4y ago

Given she is underage and pregnant, who made her pregnant? Why are they so desperate to conceal the evidence of the miscarriage, to the point where they burned the body, was it to prevent DNA testing? That's just the tip of the iceberg here. It needs to be understood why they took this course of action.

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beeboop 4y ago
A teenager getting pregnant from another teenager is extremely common, and likely more common than the alternative. Burning a body is also an extremely traditional, something like 60% of Americans are cremated. Suggesting the police need to be involved in totally ordinary circumstances seems silly to me.
hparadiz 4y ago
- willcipriano 4y ago
  > The idea that all of those instances require an investigation Only the ones where the woman who is pregnant is underage and someone decides to burn the body. Her mother not taking her to the hospital is neglect at a minimum. A miscarriage at that point could easily result in death.
  - hparadiz 4y ago
    It's wild what people on HN will write from a position of privilege. Because everyone has the money to just go to the hospital. Plus everything you just wrote is a deterrent for women to seek care. If you know you'll be criminally investigated for a miscarriage even if you did nothing wrong you'll think twice before seeking care. Which of course means more women will die. But by all means continue with your "investigations".

remarkEon 4y ago

Was she coerced into inducing the miscarriage and then into hiding the remains. Fairly obvious question, among others.

AlanYx 4y ago

The police exhumed the body because the 22-year old man who helped bury the body made a police report. The police didn't seek the Facebook search warrant until after they exhumed the body and found evidence the body was burned.