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This isn't really a good case to build sympathy on. She didn't abort with a doctor's assistance, it was fairly late, and she hid the remains. This would have

This isn't really a good case to build sympathy on. She didn't abort with a doctor's assistance, it was fairly late, and she hid the remains. This would have been illegal across most of the US.

remarkEon 4y ago
And in Europe.
- throwayyy479087 4y ago
  Untrue. Abortion is legal until 40 weeks in every EU country and fully paid for by universal healthcare.
  - AnnikaL 4y ago
    This is wildly inaccurate. Poland, an EU country, bans abortion in most cases.[0] Many other EU countries have gestational restrictions. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    I didn't have to look too hard to find that it's 22 weeks in Germany [0] (excluding exceptional cases) and seems to be fairly similar for other Western European nations. [0] http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p1957 http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stg...
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    Got a source for that? This wikipedia page says you are flat out wrong and not even remotely close to the truth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Europe
  - pedro2 4y ago
    10 weeks in Portugal
ugjka 4y ago
I don't think there was anything jolly happy going through her psyche when she did that
micromacrofoot 4y ago
It doesn't seem so hard to me to feel empathy towards a 17 year old girl that found out she was pregnant around the same time the Supreme Court leaked the overturning of Roe v Wade. That's certainly not a recipe for making good decisions, and now since she's being tried as an adult she not only has to live with a criminal record, but her name being blasted all over the place while living in an abortion-hostile state.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  She is alleged to have aborted the fetus in April. The SCOTUS leak was in May. She was 23 weeks pregnant, she should have consulted with a doctor early in 2022. Tough to blame this on the Roe controversy when it hadn't even started yet.
  - Bud 4y ago
    This is very easy for you to say. Are you a teenage girl? Do you live in a dark-red state? Have you ever tried to consult a doctor in Nebraska about abortion?
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      As if deep red areas of the country are unfamiliar with abortion? They are very familiar with keeping it under the radar, but fine upstanding evangelical Christians absolutely still have abortions. Also, there are three Planned Parenthood clinics in Omaha, Nebraska, less than two hours from Madison County. This young woman was less than a year from being legally an adult. I'd give it good odds that my 11 year old daughter could figure out she should talk to a doctor in this situation, and I sure as hell hope that by 17 she's definitely figured that out.
      - munbun 4y ago
        - Only 3 clinics in the state, all 2 hours away - Only 1 clinic performs abortion at 20 weeks - Requires a 24 hour wait period by law - Requires parental consent under 18 - Between 16-20 weeks, costs $2500-$5000 These are all pretty significant barriers for anyone without resources, especially a teen trying to hide her pregnancy.

This isn't really a good case to build sympathy on. She didn't abort with a doctor's assistance, it was fairly late, and she hid the remains. This would have been illegal across most of the US.

remarkEon 4y ago

And in Europe.

throwayyy479087 4y ago
Untrue. Abortion is legal until 40 weeks in every EU country and fully paid for by universal healthcare.
- AnnikaL 4y ago
  This is wildly inaccurate. Poland, an EU country, bans abortion in most cases.[0] Many other EU countries have gestational restrictions. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  I didn't have to look too hard to find that it's 22 weeks in Germany [0] (excluding exceptional cases) and seems to be fairly similar for other Western European nations. [0] http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p1957 http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stg...
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  Got a source for that? This wikipedia page says you are flat out wrong and not even remotely close to the truth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Europe
- pedro2 4y ago
  10 weeks in Portugal

ugjka 4y ago

I don't think there was anything jolly happy going through her psyche when she did that

micromacrofoot 4y ago

It doesn't seem so hard to me to feel empathy towards a 17 year old girl that found out she was pregnant around the same time the Supreme Court leaked the overturning of Roe v Wade. That's certainly not a recipe for making good decisions, and now since she's being tried as an adult she not only has to live with a criminal record, but her name being blasted all over the place while living in an abortion-hostile state.

rootusrootus 4y ago
She is alleged to have aborted the fetus in April. The SCOTUS leak was in May. She was 23 weeks pregnant, she should have consulted with a doctor early in 2022. Tough to blame this on the Roe controversy when it hadn't even started yet.
- Bud 4y ago
  This is very easy for you to say. Are you a teenage girl? Do you live in a dark-red state? Have you ever tried to consult a doctor in Nebraska about abortion?
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    As if deep red areas of the country are unfamiliar with abortion? They are very familiar with keeping it under the radar, but fine upstanding evangelical Christians absolutely still have abortions. Also, there are three Planned Parenthood clinics in Omaha, Nebraska, less than two hours from Madison County. This young woman was less than a year from being legally an adult. I'd give it good odds that my 11 year old daughter could figure out she should talk to a doctor in this situation, and I sure as hell hope that by 17 she's definitely figured that out.
    - munbun 4y ago
      - Only 3 clinics in the state, all 2 hours away - Only 1 clinic performs abortion at 20 weeks - Requires a 24 hour wait period by law - Requires parental consent under 18 - Between 16-20 weeks, costs $2500-$5000 These are all pretty significant barriers for anyone without resources, especially a teen trying to hide her pregnancy.