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Outright ghoulish behavior from Facebook. They didn't even put up a fight. And for Nebraska to put this 17 year old on trial as an adult is doubly cruel.

languageserver 4y ago
She aborted at 23 WEEKS
- googlryas 4y ago
  Yeah the fetus was 6 months old. That's a baby at that point if it is outside of her womb. She could have easily given birth and it would have gone on to live a completely normal life. I'm pro abortion generally, but you need to do it long before the fetus is viable.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - midasz 4y ago
    Sorry but are you really saying 'easily' and 'given birth' after eachother? Have you ever witnessed a birth? And how do you know it would have gone on to live a completely normal life? What kind of disney movie do you live in?
    - googlryas 4y ago
      By easily, I meant that the baby would have good chances of survival. It wouldn't be fighting against 1% odds and require $100M expenditures in the NICU Yes, I've witnessed a birth. Most babies born go on to live normal lives. Do you really think I was implying I was a mindreader, and I know the baby would have a normal life, rather than just saying the odds are good? You interpreted my comment 100% in bad faith which is pretty lame for HN. You might feel more comfortable on reddit.
- throwayyy479087 4y ago
  23 weeks is very possible to have a 100% healthy kid with modern medicine. I have very little sympathy in this case.
- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  So sure, investigate the situation... figure out how a minor ended up pregnant and make sure that the abortion was voluntary. Perhaps fine her and place her on probation due to the circumstances, and get her mental health counseling. But to put her on trial as an adult seems more like vengeance than justice.
rootusrootus 4y ago
This isn't really a good case to build sympathy on. She didn't abort with a doctor's assistance, it was fairly late, and she hid the remains. This would have been illegal across most of the US.
- remarkEon 4y ago
  And in Europe.
  - throwayyy479087 4y ago
    Untrue. Abortion is legal until 40 weeks in every EU country and fully paid for by universal healthcare.
    - AnnikaL 4y ago
      This is wildly inaccurate. Poland, an EU country, bans abortion in most cases.[0] Many other EU countries have gestational restrictions. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      I didn't have to look too hard to find that it's 22 weeks in Germany [0] (excluding exceptional cases) and seems to be fairly similar for other Western European nations. [0] http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p1957 http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stg...
    - MichaelCollins 4y ago
      Got a source for that? This wikipedia page says you are flat out wrong and not even remotely close to the truth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Europe
    - pedro2 4y ago
      10 weeks in Portugal

languageserver 4y ago

She aborted at 23 WEEKS

googlryas 4y ago
Yeah the fetus was 6 months old. That's a baby at that point if it is outside of her womb. She could have easily given birth and it would have gone on to live a completely normal life. I'm pro abortion generally, but you need to do it long before the fetus is viable.
- deleted 4y ago
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- midasz 4y ago
  Sorry but are you really saying 'easily' and 'given birth' after eachother? Have you ever witnessed a birth? And how do you know it would have gone on to live a completely normal life? What kind of disney movie do you live in?
  - googlryas 4y ago
    By easily, I meant that the baby would have good chances of survival. It wouldn't be fighting against 1% odds and require $100M expenditures in the NICU Yes, I've witnessed a birth. Most babies born go on to live normal lives. Do you really think I was implying I was a mindreader, and I know the baby would have a normal life, rather than just saying the odds are good? You interpreted my comment 100% in bad faith which is pretty lame for HN. You might feel more comfortable on reddit.
throwayyy479087 4y ago
23 weeks is very possible to have a 100% healthy kid with modern medicine. I have very little sympathy in this case.
micromacrofoot 4y ago
So sure, investigate the situation... figure out how a minor ended up pregnant and make sure that the abortion was voluntary. Perhaps fine her and place her on probation due to the circumstances, and get her mental health counseling. But to put her on trial as an adult seems more like vengeance than justice.

rootusrootus 4y ago

This isn't really a good case to build sympathy on. She didn't abort with a doctor's assistance, it was fairly late, and she hid the remains. This would have been illegal across most of the US.

remarkEon 4y ago
And in Europe.
- throwayyy479087 4y ago
  Untrue. Abortion is legal until 40 weeks in every EU country and fully paid for by universal healthcare.
  - AnnikaL 4y ago
    This is wildly inaccurate. Poland, an EU country, bans abortion in most cases.[0] Many other EU countries have gestational restrictions. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    I didn't have to look too hard to find that it's 22 weeks in Germany [0] (excluding exceptional cases) and seems to be fairly similar for other Western European nations. [0] http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p1957 http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stg...
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    Got a source for that? This wikipedia page says you are flat out wrong and not even remotely close to the truth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Europe
  - pedro2 4y ago
    10 weeks in Portugal