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Tesla's FSD beta should be thought of like you are a driving instructor/parent for a beginning driver on a driving permit but you have a full duplicate set of c

Tesla's FSD beta should be thought of like you are a driving instructor/parent for a beginning driver on a driving permit but you have a full duplicate set of controls, like an airplane. Let the car drive but at any moment you have to be ready to take control or something bad might happen. We have millions of people training other people to drive every day and they can't even take over right away when there is a problem. People running FSD beta are training Tesla's driving AI. They should take the task very seriously, but I think its great they are allowed to do so. If it ever works well it will be great for safety and convenience. Once FSD seems ready for level 4 or 5 automation, then I'm sure governments will have Tesla prove all sorts of things about how it functions and how good/safe it is before it is approved.

itsoktocry 4y ago
>We have millions of people training other people to drive every day and they can't even take over right away when there is a problem. People learning to drive are not equivalent to a closed source driving AI.
Veserv 4y ago
Driving instructors are licensed, paid, and liable; driving instructors do not pay ten thousand dollars for the opportunity to oversee driving learners. If their customers are actually driving instructors for their cars then Tesla should be employing them, verifying they are competent at the task, and paying them the prevailing rate of ~$25 per hour. They should not be advertising it as a product that is fit for purpose when it requires constant supervision by trained professionals.
- njarboe 4y ago
  In the US we are a bit more liberal with driving training. Any parent with a drivers license can train their children to drive. Schools have driving classes but you are not always required to take them.
Barrin92 4y ago
>We have millions of people training other people to drive every day and they can't even take over right away when there is a problem. We don't. Over here driving school is several months of training by licensed drivers in cars with dual control so the teacher has full control over the car in case of an emergency. the idea that your Uncle Bob teaches you how to drive would probably be considered insane. The traffic related death rate here is also like 4x lower than in the US. This kind of stuff isn't normal. Having computers that make video games from the 90s look bug free drive two tons of steel around at lethal velocities is bonkers. Public roads should not be playgrounds for 'beta tests'.
- QuercusMax 4y ago
  Where is "here" for you?
  - Barrin92 4y ago
    currently Japan, was about the same in Germany where I grew up.
  - Aromasin 4y ago
    In the UK almost everyone uses trained instructors, although provided you have an L plate on your car anyone with over 5 years experience driving can take you out for practice. Most don't learn that way however, because the test is difficult enough that a good driving instructor is pretty much mandatory. The pass rate was 46.4% in 2019/20.

itsoktocry 4y ago

>We have millions of people training other people to drive every day and they can't even take over right away when there is a problem. People learning to drive are not equivalent to a closed source driving AI.

Veserv 4y ago

Driving instructors are licensed, paid, and liable; driving instructors do not pay ten thousand dollars for the opportunity to oversee driving learners. If their customers are actually driving instructors for their cars then Tesla should be employing them, verifying they are competent at the task, and paying them the prevailing rate of ~$25 per hour. They should not be advertising it as a product that is fit for purpose when it requires constant supervision by trained professionals.

njarboe 4y ago
In the US we are a bit more liberal with driving training. Any parent with a drivers license can train their children to drive. Schools have driving classes but you are not always required to take them.

Barrin92 4y ago

>We have millions of people training other people to drive every day and they can't even take over right away when there is a problem. We don't. Over here driving school is several months of training by licensed drivers in cars with dual control so the teacher has full control over the car in case of an emergency. the idea that your Uncle Bob teaches you how to drive would probably be considered insane. The traffic related death rate here is also like 4x lower than in the US. This kind of stuff isn't normal. Having computers that make video games from the 90s look bug free drive two tons of steel around at lethal velocities is bonkers. Public roads should not be playgrounds for 'beta tests'.

QuercusMax 4y ago
Where is "here" for you?
- Barrin92 4y ago
  currently Japan, was about the same in Germany where I grew up.
- Aromasin 4y ago
  In the UK almost everyone uses trained instructors, although provided you have an L plate on your car anyone with over 5 years experience driving can take you out for practice. Most don't learn that way however, because the test is difficult enough that a good driving instructor is pretty much mandatory. The pass rate was 46.4% in 2019/20.