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You may be correct about everything you've said here, but I expect the tone is counterproductive. If you're intent is to blow off some steam for your own sake,

You may be correct about everything you've said here, but I expect the tone is counterproductive. If you're intent is to blow off some steam for your own sake, feel free to disregard. If you're intent is to make a difference, it seems likely that this kind of discourse moves the needle in the opposite direction you would presumably like for it to go. > I would encourage you to understand the subject a tiny bit before LARPing the intelligent adult in the room. I would encourage you to consider the impact of words like this before posting them. What was gained here? And what was lost? Edit: It's like in a game of billiards. The people who win games are the ones that are precise. Each turn results in many of the balls being in a more beneficial position. Less skilled players slam the balls in the general direction of a pocket, and something might go in occasionally, but the overall table state is a mess turn to turn.

kergonath 4y ago
> You may be correct about everything you've said here, but I expect the tone is counterproductive. I think you’re right. I realised after 5 minutes that it was the same tired tropes and mistakes again and the OP really sounded like bad faith by the end, and that no discussion is going to be productive anyway. Let’s be fair: all these points are very well documented for anyone interested in understanding them. > I would encourage you to consider the impact of words like this before posting them. What was gained here? And what was lost? You’re right again, but this bit was cathartic. It is difficult to stand the people who act like they are the reasonable ones when they use dodgy logic and faulty premises.
ifyoubuildit 4y ago
I was surprised by the downvotes I got for this, so I wanted to clarify my point. If you have a cause that you are interested in, making a public statement about it will either help or hurt that cause, depending on how that statement is received by your audience. Some people don't realize this, but being correct (or passionately believing you are correct) has little bearing on how your argument is perceived. You can be right, but if your delivery is abrasive, the world (assuming your cause is just) would have been better off if you just kept your mouth shut. Statements like the one I originally replied to are (imo) examples of people being harmful to their own cause. Insulting, shaming, browbeating, etc, will rarely gain you any ground, and will likely actually galvanize people against you and your cause.

kergonath 4y ago

> You may be correct about everything you've said here, but I expect the tone is counterproductive. I think you’re right. I realised after 5 minutes that it was the same tired tropes and mistakes again and the OP really sounded like bad faith by the end, and that no discussion is going to be productive anyway. Let’s be fair: all these points are very well documented for anyone interested in understanding them. > I would encourage you to consider the impact of words like this before posting them. What was gained here? And what was lost? You’re right again, but this bit was cathartic. It is difficult to stand the people who act like they are the reasonable ones when they use dodgy logic and faulty premises.

ifyoubuildit 4y ago

I was surprised by the downvotes I got for this, so I wanted to clarify my point. If you have a cause that you are interested in, making a public statement about it will either help or hurt that cause, depending on how that statement is received by your audience. Some people don't realize this, but being correct (or passionately believing you are correct) has little bearing on how your argument is perceived. You can be right, but if your delivery is abrasive, the world (assuming your cause is just) would have been better off if you just kept your mouth shut. Statements like the one I originally replied to are (imo) examples of people being harmful to their own cause. Insulting, shaming, browbeating, etc, will rarely gain you any ground, and will likely actually galvanize people against you and your cause.