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This is why I always laugh when people yell that we just need to plant more trees to solve climate change. I've even debated on twitter with published scientis

This is why I always laugh when people yell that we just need to plant more trees to solve climate change. I've even debated on twitter with published scientists on this issue. It's odd how susceptible to naturophilia even very well educated people can be, to the point of denying what seems like an obvious conclusion.

briantakita 4y ago
- anonporridge 4y ago
  Volcanoes emit a fraction of CO2 that humans do, https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits... Even if you continued to believe that they did, you'd have to point to evidence that volcanic eruptions happen to have drastically increased at a smooth rate in line with global industrialization and fossil fuel burning. https://www.co2levels.org/ https://www.co2levels.org/
  - briantakita 4y ago
    - anonporridge 4y ago
      No one calls CO2 "devil's gas". That's just you trying to create a strawman because you're too weak to interact with reality. Grow up and learn to fight steelmen like an adult, https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/steelmanning https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/steelmanning.
      - briantakita 4y ago
        I'll grow up as soon as you get out of the silly habit of treating CO2 as the silver bullet which is the control knob of the climate. You see, we have this thing called the Sun which is quite large compared to the Earth & emits quite large amounts of energy which fluctuates in large magnitudes in many different cycles, some of which last > 10000 years. In recorded history, we have a small sample of these cycles. Could CO2 be a lagging effect of rising temperature & not the cause of the rising temperature? The ocean contains CO2 & as the ocean heats up, CO2 is emitted. It's strange how much confirmation bias some people have with their silver bullet models. Weren't we supposed to not have any more glaciers by now according to some of the models by the esteemed institutions? Am I steelmanning? CO2 emitted from humans is blamed for drastically changing the climate of the Earth while that big orb in the sky which is now leaving it's "warm period" & has historically been the major cause of climate change is now disregarded by models which have proven unable to predict the future. I'm afraid that I am not steelmanning. I wish I was...Devil Gas is quite the appropriate term. If only we can we exterminate all of that Devil Gas, we can save the planet! We simply need a War on Devil Gas to show it that we mean bu$ine$$...or we simply need to block out the Sun. If you're not with me, you are against the planet. Yes, I know...I need to grow up and eat ze bugs in ze pod that I will live in because I will own nothing & be happy. Gaia cries everytime I drive my SUV with the AC on eating a juicy burger. The amount of cow farts & rainwatered grass that produced the burger is raising ze temperature causing much anger! I am ashamed. Pass me ze bugs.
s1artibartfast 4y ago
I mean, even if the trees lock up carbon for 50 years, it would be a huge benefit.
BurningFrog 4y ago
There is no one solution to climate change. Growing forests is one of many things that can be part of fixing this.
- GloriousKoji 4y ago
  I was going to comment on how less people is the easiest unacceptable single solution to climate change but then I considered the possibility that even if half of the world population disappeared, there's a good chance people will end up using twice as much resources.
  - BurningFrog 4y ago
    Planetary genocide is always a cure worse than the disease.

briantakita 4y ago

anonporridge 4y ago
Volcanoes emit a fraction of CO2 that humans do, https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits... Even if you continued to believe that they did, you'd have to point to evidence that volcanic eruptions happen to have drastically increased at a smooth rate in line with global industrialization and fossil fuel burning. https://www.co2levels.org/ https://www.co2levels.org/
- briantakita 4y ago
  - anonporridge 4y ago
    No one calls CO2 "devil's gas". That's just you trying to create a strawman because you're too weak to interact with reality. Grow up and learn to fight steelmen like an adult, https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/steelmanning https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/steelmanning.
    - briantakita 4y ago
      I'll grow up as soon as you get out of the silly habit of treating CO2 as the silver bullet which is the control knob of the climate. You see, we have this thing called the Sun which is quite large compared to the Earth & emits quite large amounts of energy which fluctuates in large magnitudes in many different cycles, some of which last > 10000 years. In recorded history, we have a small sample of these cycles. Could CO2 be a lagging effect of rising temperature & not the cause of the rising temperature? The ocean contains CO2 & as the ocean heats up, CO2 is emitted. It's strange how much confirmation bias some people have with their silver bullet models. Weren't we supposed to not have any more glaciers by now according to some of the models by the esteemed institutions? Am I steelmanning? CO2 emitted from humans is blamed for drastically changing the climate of the Earth while that big orb in the sky which is now leaving it's "warm period" & has historically been the major cause of climate change is now disregarded by models which have proven unable to predict the future. I'm afraid that I am not steelmanning. I wish I was...Devil Gas is quite the appropriate term. If only we can we exterminate all of that Devil Gas, we can save the planet! We simply need a War on Devil Gas to show it that we mean bu$ine$$...or we simply need to block out the Sun. If you're not with me, you are against the planet. Yes, I know...I need to grow up and eat ze bugs in ze pod that I will live in because I will own nothing & be happy. Gaia cries everytime I drive my SUV with the AC on eating a juicy burger. The amount of cow farts & rainwatered grass that produced the burger is raising ze temperature causing much anger! I am ashamed. Pass me ze bugs.

s1artibartfast 4y ago

I mean, even if the trees lock up carbon for 50 years, it would be a huge benefit.

BurningFrog 4y ago

There is no one solution to climate change. Growing forests is one of many things that can be part of fixing this.

GloriousKoji 4y ago
I was going to comment on how less people is the easiest unacceptable single solution to climate change but then I considered the possibility that even if half of the world population disappeared, there's a good chance people will end up using twice as much resources.
- BurningFrog 4y ago
  Planetary genocide is always a cure worse than the disease.