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Yes but also take Jay's praises about Mclaren with a grain of salt. He is a celebrity, the rest of us are just sheeps. Mclaren's build quality and depreciation

Yes but also take Jay's praises about Mclaren with a grain of salt. He is a celebrity, the rest of us are just sheeps. Mclaren's build quality and depreciation is a lot more serious than Ferrari. We are talking brand new cars purchased that create issues with unapolgeic stance from dealerships. Just watch all the horrible testimnonials from ex-Mclaren Its almost like they saw what Ferrari was getting away with and decided to up them.

Kon-Peki 4y ago
I don't pay attention to the supercar world (perhaps later in life, I am a temporarily embarrassed billionaire after all). But that surprises me. A few years ago I was out on a bike ride with my kids, and we had a flat tire right in front of the local Mclaren dealership. I popped in and asked if they had a tire pump I could borrow. The mechanic came out and fixed the tire for me. While we waited, the salesman showed off the cars to my kids. I have a photo somewhere on my computer of one of them in the driver's seat acting like they are a race car driver. If the dealerships are so awful to customers, why are they so nice to random people off the street?
- LgWoodenBadger 4y ago
  Because that doesn’t cost them money. The problems with McLarens come from the factory, and I’m sure the factory says “fuck off” to the dealership so the dealership passes then”fuck off” to the customer.
- joshu 4y ago
  After I sold my first company, I went to a Ferrari dealer to look. They were shitty (and a number of friends have sworn off Ferrari forever because of them.) The McLaren people sent me off in a car by myself for a test drive. Guess who I went with?
  - upupandup 4y ago
    If you go in dressed like shit they won't sell you a car. It's one of those things that annoys me but fortunately I started off with purchasing older Ferrari models and built rapport with the local dealership. I can see why a lot of people wouldn't deal with this BS Those "good" Ferrari are halo cars and they keep internal tally of their customers based on their purchase history. I started out from the older models and I hope they will reward me for offering liquidity to their used ferrari market (which is now starting to show signs of inflating). It's a disgusting strategy of creating artificial scarcity and gaslighting customers into thinking they are getting value (they are not). Limited edition, lightweight Ferraris hold their values very well against inflation although the more modern ones raises some concerns about production numbers (they drastically upped it but demand premium which market so far has been absorbing): 360CS, 430/16M, 458 Aperta vs 488 Pista Would I still be with Ferrari if I went thru what you and others went thru? Probably would never bother. Glad I never had to buy from a dealership (Vancouver is horrible), instead just trade on ferrarichat
    - joshu 4y ago
      it was silicon valley ferrari. dealers here largely know you can’t go by outfit. although the audi dealership was also shitty when i went to look at an r8 (thank god, they are awful) i like to drive my cars hard so used is better for me (find one that is not pristine) and i eventually switched to race car…
- HeyLaughingBoy 4y ago
  > why are they so nice to random people off the street? Because they might become customers one day. ISTR that Porsche even had a commercial that said essentially this.
davewritescode 4y ago
You're absolutely right about depreciation and perhaps there's build quality issues but the criticisms Jay Leno has about Ferrari are very real and very valid. I personally am not in the position to buy a new Ferrari but one day I hope to own a used exotic and it won't be a Ferrari. To buy the "good" Ferrari that doesn't depreciate or even appreciates, you must first purchase a number of less desirable Ferraris loaded with options which don't hold their value nearly as well. Mclaren lets anyone who has the money to buy whatever they want witch some exceptions. Ferrari has been known to completely corrupt the review process up to and including specifically preparing cars for reviews. This includes sending a literal team of engineers to prep the car. This means that the car Ferrari gives to reviewers is always certainly better than the ones it delivers to customers. There's even been stories of Ferrari tires literally sticking to dynos. Ferrari also has been nailed for allowing dealerships to rollback the mileage of cars as a service for certain customers. Being able to drive your car 50k miles and sell it as a 5k mile car certainly has resale advantages. Ferraris are great cars, I have nothing against them but the company is about as consumer unfriendly as you can possibly be.
joshu 4y ago
I owned one - it was a champ. 1500 track miles in a year. I had it four years. Almost no issues. A bunch of friends own or have owned them. They are comparable. Don't get your information from forums.
- upupandup 4y ago
  you mean mclaren forums with 20 page threads asking for refunds vs your anecdote?
  - joshu 4y ago
    yes. forums, including this one, are filled with the outliers. i know nine people offhand that have them, some on their second or third. meanwhile, the 458’s buttons are melting/sticky with no replacements. yuk
    - brokenmachine 4y ago
      You know nine Mclaren owners? I don't think I've ever even seen nine Mclarens.
      - joshu 4y ago
        Easily. I do a lot of car stuff. Rented out entire racetracks, raced competitively, invested in a racing team, etc
- rasz 4y ago
  Did you misunderstand something? You automatically lose warranty tracking Mclaren https://www.autogespot.com/tracking-your-car-say-goodbye-to-the-warranty https://www.autogespot.com/tracking-your-car-say-goodbye-to-...!
  - joshu 4y ago
    At the time that was not the case. After the track I had to do a recertification inspection.

Kon-Peki 4y ago

I don't pay attention to the supercar world (perhaps later in life, I am a temporarily embarrassed billionaire after all). But that surprises me. A few years ago I was out on a bike ride with my kids, and we had a flat tire right in front of the local Mclaren dealership. I popped in and asked if they had a tire pump I could borrow. The mechanic came out and fixed the tire for me. While we waited, the salesman showed off the cars to my kids. I have a photo somewhere on my computer of one of them in the driver's seat acting like they are a race car driver. If the dealerships are so awful to customers, why are they so nice to random people off the street?

LgWoodenBadger 4y ago
Because that doesn’t cost them money. The problems with McLarens come from the factory, and I’m sure the factory says “fuck off” to the dealership so the dealership passes then”fuck off” to the customer.
joshu 4y ago
After I sold my first company, I went to a Ferrari dealer to look. They were shitty (and a number of friends have sworn off Ferrari forever because of them.) The McLaren people sent me off in a car by myself for a test drive. Guess who I went with?
- upupandup 4y ago
  If you go in dressed like shit they won't sell you a car. It's one of those things that annoys me but fortunately I started off with purchasing older Ferrari models and built rapport with the local dealership. I can see why a lot of people wouldn't deal with this BS Those "good" Ferrari are halo cars and they keep internal tally of their customers based on their purchase history. I started out from the older models and I hope they will reward me for offering liquidity to their used ferrari market (which is now starting to show signs of inflating). It's a disgusting strategy of creating artificial scarcity and gaslighting customers into thinking they are getting value (they are not). Limited edition, lightweight Ferraris hold their values very well against inflation although the more modern ones raises some concerns about production numbers (they drastically upped it but demand premium which market so far has been absorbing): 360CS, 430/16M, 458 Aperta vs 488 Pista Would I still be with Ferrari if I went thru what you and others went thru? Probably would never bother. Glad I never had to buy from a dealership (Vancouver is horrible), instead just trade on ferrarichat
  - joshu 4y ago
    it was silicon valley ferrari. dealers here largely know you can’t go by outfit. although the audi dealership was also shitty when i went to look at an r8 (thank god, they are awful) i like to drive my cars hard so used is better for me (find one that is not pristine) and i eventually switched to race car…
HeyLaughingBoy 4y ago
> why are they so nice to random people off the street? Because they might become customers one day. ISTR that Porsche even had a commercial that said essentially this.

davewritescode 4y ago

You're absolutely right about depreciation and perhaps there's build quality issues but the criticisms Jay Leno has about Ferrari are very real and very valid. I personally am not in the position to buy a new Ferrari but one day I hope to own a used exotic and it won't be a Ferrari. To buy the "good" Ferrari that doesn't depreciate or even appreciates, you must first purchase a number of less desirable Ferraris loaded with options which don't hold their value nearly as well. Mclaren lets anyone who has the money to buy whatever they want witch some exceptions. Ferrari has been known to completely corrupt the review process up to and including specifically preparing cars for reviews. This includes sending a literal team of engineers to prep the car. This means that the car Ferrari gives to reviewers is always certainly better than the ones it delivers to customers. There's even been stories of Ferrari tires literally sticking to dynos. Ferrari also has been nailed for allowing dealerships to rollback the mileage of cars as a service for certain customers. Being able to drive your car 50k miles and sell it as a 5k mile car certainly has resale advantages. Ferraris are great cars, I have nothing against them but the company is about as consumer unfriendly as you can possibly be.

joshu 4y ago

I owned one - it was a champ. 1500 track miles in a year. I had it four years. Almost no issues. A bunch of friends own or have owned them. They are comparable. Don't get your information from forums.

upupandup 4y ago
you mean mclaren forums with 20 page threads asking for refunds vs your anecdote?
- joshu 4y ago
  yes. forums, including this one, are filled with the outliers. i know nine people offhand that have them, some on their second or third. meanwhile, the 458’s buttons are melting/sticky with no replacements. yuk
  - brokenmachine 4y ago
    You know nine Mclaren owners? I don't think I've ever even seen nine Mclarens.
    - joshu 4y ago
      Easily. I do a lot of car stuff. Rented out entire racetracks, raced competitively, invested in a racing team, etc
rasz 4y ago
Did you misunderstand something? You automatically lose warranty tracking Mclaren https://www.autogespot.com/tracking-your-car-say-goodbye-to-the-warranty https://www.autogespot.com/tracking-your-car-say-goodbye-to-...!
- joshu 4y ago
  At the time that was not the case. After the track I had to do a recertification inspection.