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While the term recall seems dramatic, most automotive recalls involve fairly simple fixes. Cars are complicated machines, and it's pretty common for issues to p

While the term recall seems dramatic, most automotive recalls involve fairly simple fixes. Cars are complicated machines, and it's pretty common for issues to pop up over the years.

metadat 4y ago
Issues leading to total brake failure? I'm going to pass on the Ferrari, would rather buy 20 Highlanders than one expensive Italian stallion.
- kube-system 4y ago
  If you buy 20 Toyota Highlanders, make sure they’ve had their brake recalls done: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2018/RCONL-18V211-1705.pdf https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2018/RCONL-18V211-1705.pdf
  - metadat 4y ago
    Hey kube-system, thanks- I'm open to being wrong. Did it take 15 years for Toyota to acknowledge the defects? Looks like this is limited to 2017 Sequoia and 2018 Highlander, and it's got to be less than 5 years. They also flash a warning light when the problem is detected.
    - formerly_proven 4y ago
      Uh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration#Sudden_acceleration_in_Toyota_vehicles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration... Yes, most of these were most likely caused by classic gas-and-brake confusion. Yet, the cars also had mechanical, electrical and software defects that could and did cause UA. > In an attempt to hide these defects from investigators, Toyota switched to verbal communication on the defect rather than traceable forms of communication. As a result, many new cars were knowingly produced with the same floor mat issues that had been identified as being having the potential to cause SUA problems in association with the defective pedal design. > ... on March 19, 2014, the DOJ issued a deferred prosecution agreement with a $1.2 billion criminal penalty for issuing misleading and deceptive statements to its consumers and federal regulators, as well as hiding another cause of unintended acceleration, the sticky pedal, from the NHTSA. This fine was separate from the $1.2 billion settlement of a class action suit ... ... Nearly 400 wrongful-death and personal injury cases were also privately settled by Toyota as a result of unintended acceleration.
      - metadat 4y ago
        Sigh.. yeah. I admit I was wrong here. Big car companies are generally aligned on this front. I don't get it, they're developing and delivering safety critical systems. Why does it take hundreds of incidents before corrective action is taken? I prefer the NTSB approach (shared by most countries aviation safety councils): Every major incident is investigated to ensure lessons are learned so it isn't repeated. Unfortunate how low the bar is to be allowed to operate a motor death machine. On average the cause is "driver error".

While the term recall seems dramatic, most automotive recalls involve fairly simple fixes. Cars are complicated machines, and it's pretty common for issues to pop up over the years.

metadat 4y ago

Issues leading to total brake failure? I'm going to pass on the Ferrari, would rather buy 20 Highlanders than one expensive Italian stallion.

kube-system 4y ago
If you buy 20 Toyota Highlanders, make sure they’ve had their brake recalls done: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2018/RCONL-18V211-1705.pdf https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2018/RCONL-18V211-1705.pdf
- metadat 4y ago
  Hey kube-system, thanks- I'm open to being wrong. Did it take 15 years for Toyota to acknowledge the defects? Looks like this is limited to 2017 Sequoia and 2018 Highlander, and it's got to be less than 5 years. They also flash a warning light when the problem is detected.
  - formerly_proven 4y ago
    Uh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration#Sudden_acceleration_in_Toyota_vehicles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration... Yes, most of these were most likely caused by classic gas-and-brake confusion. Yet, the cars also had mechanical, electrical and software defects that could and did cause UA. > In an attempt to hide these defects from investigators, Toyota switched to verbal communication on the defect rather than traceable forms of communication. As a result, many new cars were knowingly produced with the same floor mat issues that had been identified as being having the potential to cause SUA problems in association with the defective pedal design. > ... on March 19, 2014, the DOJ issued a deferred prosecution agreement with a $1.2 billion criminal penalty for issuing misleading and deceptive statements to its consumers and federal regulators, as well as hiding another cause of unintended acceleration, the sticky pedal, from the NHTSA. This fine was separate from the $1.2 billion settlement of a class action suit ... ... Nearly 400 wrongful-death and personal injury cases were also privately settled by Toyota as a result of unintended acceleration.
    - metadat 4y ago
      Sigh.. yeah. I admit I was wrong here. Big car companies are generally aligned on this front. I don't get it, they're developing and delivering safety critical systems. Why does it take hundreds of incidents before corrective action is taken? I prefer the NTSB approach (shared by most countries aviation safety councils): Every major incident is investigated to ensure lessons are learned so it isn't repeated. Unfortunate how low the bar is to be allowed to operate a motor death machine. On average the cause is "driver error".