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The headline sounds bad, but all this means is that Ferrari will install a new brake fluid reservoir cap on every vehicle.

ARandumGuy 4y ago
While the term recall seems dramatic, most automotive recalls involve fairly simple fixes. Cars are complicated machines, and it's pretty common for issues to pop up over the years.
- metadat 4y ago
  Issues leading to total brake failure? I'm going to pass on the Ferrari, would rather buy 20 Highlanders than one expensive Italian stallion.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    If you buy 20 Toyota Highlanders, make sure they’ve had their brake recalls done: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2018/RCONL-18V211-1705.pdf https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2018/RCONL-18V211-1705.pdf
    - metadat 4y ago
      Hey kube-system, thanks- I'm open to being wrong. Did it take 15 years for Toyota to acknowledge the defects? Looks like this is limited to 2017 Sequoia and 2018 Highlander, and it's got to be less than 5 years. They also flash a warning light when the problem is detected.
      - formerly_proven 4y ago
        Uh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration#Sudden_acceleration_in_Toyota_vehicles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration... Yes, most of these were most likely caused by classic gas-and-brake confusion. Yet, the cars also had mechanical, electrical and software defects that could and did cause UA. > In an attempt to hide these defects from investigators, Toyota switched to verbal communication on the defect rather than traceable forms of communication. As a result, many new cars were knowingly produced with the same floor mat issues that had been identified as being having the potential to cause SUA problems in association with the defective pedal design. > ... on March 19, 2014, the DOJ issued a deferred prosecution agreement with a $1.2 billion criminal penalty for issuing misleading and deceptive statements to its consumers and federal regulators, as well as hiding another cause of unintended acceleration, the sticky pedal, from the NHTSA. This fine was separate from the $1.2 billion settlement of a class action suit ... ... Nearly 400 wrongful-death and personal injury cases were also privately settled by Toyota as a result of unintended acceleration.
        metadat 4y ago
        Sigh.. yeah. I admit I was wrong here. Big car companies are generally aligned on this front. I don't get it, they're developing and delivering safety critical systems. Why does it take hundreds of incidents before corrective action is taken? I prefer the NTSB approach (shared by most countries aviation safety councils): Every major incident is investigated to ensure lessons are learned so it isn't repeated. Unfortunate how low the bar is to be allowed to operate a motor death machine. On average the cause is "driver error".
lbriner 4y ago
Yeah it sounds bad but it could also be described as "Potential problem on Ferrari is so rare, that it hasn't been noticed since 2005"
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  No, it's been known for at least a couple of years, it took a lawsuit for them to do anything. https://thebrakereport.com/brake-fluid-leak-leads-to-ferrari-suit/ https://thebrakereport.com/brake-fluid-leak-leads-to-ferrari...
  - jguimont 4y ago
    Hum - I believe this is what the hand brake is for no? Do Ferraris not have hand brakes?
    - kube-system 4y ago
      Parking brakes are really just intended to hold a car still when parked. They’re typically not very effective at stopping a moving car, nor designed to.
      - leereeves 4y ago
        I've forgotten to release the parking brake a few times, and was still able to drive, albeit with some resistance.
        mk89 4y ago
        Ahahah this comment made my day, thanks.
    - sokoloff 4y ago
      The emergency brake in a car has a small fraction of the braking force of the service (normal) brakes. The emergency/parking brake typically acts only on the rear brakes and often via a separate braking surface that is nowhere near as powerful as the rear service brakes, to say nothing of the all-wheel service brakes.
Bedon292 4y ago
Its also <24,000 cars in the US. So pretty small compared to others. Major US car manufacturers recall millions of vehicles at a time. And I believe the Takata Airbag recall covered something like 70 million across all manufacturers.
mistrial9 4y ago
why is this not a tracking/records check on the owners of these status vehicles?

ARandumGuy 4y ago

While the term recall seems dramatic, most automotive recalls involve fairly simple fixes. Cars are complicated machines, and it's pretty common for issues to pop up over the years.

metadat 4y ago
Issues leading to total brake failure? I'm going to pass on the Ferrari, would rather buy 20 Highlanders than one expensive Italian stallion.
- kube-system 4y ago
  If you buy 20 Toyota Highlanders, make sure they’ve had their brake recalls done: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2018/RCONL-18V211-1705.pdf https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2018/RCONL-18V211-1705.pdf
  - metadat 4y ago
    Hey kube-system, thanks- I'm open to being wrong. Did it take 15 years for Toyota to acknowledge the defects? Looks like this is limited to 2017 Sequoia and 2018 Highlander, and it's got to be less than 5 years. They also flash a warning light when the problem is detected.
    - formerly_proven 4y ago
      Uh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration#Sudden_acceleration_in_Toyota_vehicles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration... Yes, most of these were most likely caused by classic gas-and-brake confusion. Yet, the cars also had mechanical, electrical and software defects that could and did cause UA. > In an attempt to hide these defects from investigators, Toyota switched to verbal communication on the defect rather than traceable forms of communication. As a result, many new cars were knowingly produced with the same floor mat issues that had been identified as being having the potential to cause SUA problems in association with the defective pedal design. > ... on March 19, 2014, the DOJ issued a deferred prosecution agreement with a $1.2 billion criminal penalty for issuing misleading and deceptive statements to its consumers and federal regulators, as well as hiding another cause of unintended acceleration, the sticky pedal, from the NHTSA. This fine was separate from the $1.2 billion settlement of a class action suit ... ... Nearly 400 wrongful-death and personal injury cases were also privately settled by Toyota as a result of unintended acceleration.
      - metadat 4y ago
        Sigh.. yeah. I admit I was wrong here. Big car companies are generally aligned on this front. I don't get it, they're developing and delivering safety critical systems. Why does it take hundreds of incidents before corrective action is taken? I prefer the NTSB approach (shared by most countries aviation safety councils): Every major incident is investigated to ensure lessons are learned so it isn't repeated. Unfortunate how low the bar is to be allowed to operate a motor death machine. On average the cause is "driver error".

lbriner 4y ago

Yeah it sounds bad but it could also be described as "Potential problem on Ferrari is so rare, that it hasn't been noticed since 2005"

bryanlarsen 4y ago
No, it's been known for at least a couple of years, it took a lawsuit for them to do anything. https://thebrakereport.com/brake-fluid-leak-leads-to-ferrari-suit/ https://thebrakereport.com/brake-fluid-leak-leads-to-ferrari...
- jguimont 4y ago
  Hum - I believe this is what the hand brake is for no? Do Ferraris not have hand brakes?
  - kube-system 4y ago
    Parking brakes are really just intended to hold a car still when parked. They’re typically not very effective at stopping a moving car, nor designed to.
    - leereeves 4y ago
      I've forgotten to release the parking brake a few times, and was still able to drive, albeit with some resistance.
      - mk89 4y ago
        Ahahah this comment made my day, thanks.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    The emergency brake in a car has a small fraction of the braking force of the service (normal) brakes. The emergency/parking brake typically acts only on the rear brakes and often via a separate braking surface that is nowhere near as powerful as the rear service brakes, to say nothing of the all-wheel service brakes.

Bedon292 4y ago

Its also <24,000 cars in the US. So pretty small compared to others. Major US car manufacturers recall millions of vehicles at a time. And I believe the Takata Airbag recall covered something like 70 million across all manufacturers.

mistrial9 4y ago

why is this not a tracking/records check on the owners of these status vehicles?