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In a german podcast a guy once said: "You won't get them with melting Icebergs and Polarbears. They're too far away". It's true, nobody* cares about icebergs a

In a german podcast a guy once said: "You won't get them with melting Icebergs and Polarbears. They're too far away". It's true, nobody* cares about icebergs and other things they've never seen before. Just wait when the drought kicks in and more and more Problems arise. I hope then people start acting themselves instead of shouting into the social platform nirvana.

fitch321 4y ago
- powerhour 4y ago
  This reads like you're looking for a fight by using the least charitable interpretation of the quote.
  - actually_a_dog 4y ago
    Yeah, it's only really "us vs them" in the sense that "they" don't seem to realize they're also really "us."
    - fitch321 4y ago
      Obama would say "we"
- ARandomerDude 4y ago
  I say "folks" as a 1:1 synonym for "people" and only recently became aware that some folks/people find this in some way derogatory. I think it's a regional thing.
  - mattnewton 4y ago
    I’ve pretty much been using “folks” as a gender neutral “guys” because I find “people” potentially problematic (some constructions like “you folks” or “you all” are pretty much always casual while “you people” can sound charged, etc). I think this is common? Haven’t heard of people taking offense to “folks” before.
alonmower 4y ago
I feel like we need movies/media that helps things feel more real, personal, negative, close to home. Not movies that _focus_ and sensationalize climate disasters like The Day After Tomorrow. But movies that exist in the near future where really visceral elements of how climate change played out 10-20 years exist as a backdrop to whatever story is being told (but feel grounded in reality). e.g. water rationing, abandoned towns/cities, authoritarian responses to increased immigration/migration, food shortages, etc...
- kergonath 4y ago
  > e.g. water rationing, abandoned towns/cities, authoritarian responses to increased immigration/migration, food shortages, etc... More like Mad Max?
  - alonmower 4y ago
    Ya the original is a good example but that's probably still too apocalyptic, one can watch that and scoff saying "it'd never get that bad". Stuff that's more focused on the immediate, painful changes but still in line of sight from our current reality. Children of Men did a pretty good job pulling some subtle "here's how society has changed for the worse" world building in (obviously all based on it's underlying premise that no more children are being born)
  - formerkrogemp 4y ago
    > More like Mad Max? More like California, Arizona, Utah, South Africa, etc.?
- sveme 4y ago
  Children of Men feels like a very realistic dystopia of the UK five years from now.
  - tremon 4y ago
    Children of Men doesn't specify the cause for the infertility, I think? Only some handwavy "there were some chemicals", IIRC? At least I'm pretty certain it doesn't attribute anything to climate change.
verisimi 4y ago
Polar bears don't work on me, because the provided polar bear population numbers are higher than previous years! The question for me, is why do people believe that there is a problem? Is it that you just have to state polar bears are in trouble? Does anyone check the claims of the climate alarmists? You should take a look at Al Gore's film again, and see how well that has aged. Climate alarmists need to answer the claim that they are just boys who cry wolf, imo.
- lenocinor 4y ago
  I don’t agree that the data support your claim. This link seems like a good summary: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/fact-check-gina-rinehart-polar-bears/100569118 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/fact-check-gina-rineh...
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> "people start acting themselves " There are only 3 'individual' actions avaliable that have any real impact: Voting, Stop eating meat, and pitchforks / civil unrest. I predict we will reach phase 3 very suddenly and then there will be all these talking head on TV wondering 'oh my god, how did this happen?'.
- the_cramer 4y ago
  What about saving energy and not wasting water?
  - 10u152 4y ago
    Being a vegan protester is clearly the only way to have any impact
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    if you live in an apartment, don't own a car and you main use of water is shower. There are no real energy savings avaliable without cutting back on hygene
- adrianN 4y ago
  Of these, voting has the only real impact, because no action an individual can take (safe for suicide) can make their life carbon neutral. That needs policy.

fitch321 4y ago

powerhour 4y ago
This reads like you're looking for a fight by using the least charitable interpretation of the quote.
- actually_a_dog 4y ago
  Yeah, it's only really "us vs them" in the sense that "they" don't seem to realize they're also really "us."
  - fitch321 4y ago
    Obama would say "we"
ARandomerDude 4y ago
I say "folks" as a 1:1 synonym for "people" and only recently became aware that some folks/people find this in some way derogatory. I think it's a regional thing.
- mattnewton 4y ago
  I’ve pretty much been using “folks” as a gender neutral “guys” because I find “people” potentially problematic (some constructions like “you folks” or “you all” are pretty much always casual while “you people” can sound charged, etc). I think this is common? Haven’t heard of people taking offense to “folks” before.

alonmower 4y ago

I feel like we need movies/media that helps things feel more real, personal, negative, close to home. Not movies that _focus_ and sensationalize climate disasters like The Day After Tomorrow. But movies that exist in the near future where really visceral elements of how climate change played out 10-20 years exist as a backdrop to whatever story is being told (but feel grounded in reality). e.g. water rationing, abandoned towns/cities, authoritarian responses to increased immigration/migration, food shortages, etc...

kergonath 4y ago
> e.g. water rationing, abandoned towns/cities, authoritarian responses to increased immigration/migration, food shortages, etc... More like Mad Max?
- alonmower 4y ago
  Ya the original is a good example but that's probably still too apocalyptic, one can watch that and scoff saying "it'd never get that bad". Stuff that's more focused on the immediate, painful changes but still in line of sight from our current reality. Children of Men did a pretty good job pulling some subtle "here's how society has changed for the worse" world building in (obviously all based on it's underlying premise that no more children are being born)
- formerkrogemp 4y ago
  > More like Mad Max? More like California, Arizona, Utah, South Africa, etc.?
sveme 4y ago
Children of Men feels like a very realistic dystopia of the UK five years from now.
- tremon 4y ago
  Children of Men doesn't specify the cause for the infertility, I think? Only some handwavy "there were some chemicals", IIRC? At least I'm pretty certain it doesn't attribute anything to climate change.

verisimi 4y ago

Polar bears don't work on me, because the provided polar bear population numbers are higher than previous years! The question for me, is why do people believe that there is a problem? Is it that you just have to state polar bears are in trouble? Does anyone check the claims of the climate alarmists? You should take a look at Al Gore's film again, and see how well that has aged. Climate alarmists need to answer the claim that they are just boys who cry wolf, imo.

lenocinor 4y ago
I don’t agree that the data support your claim. This link seems like a good summary: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/fact-check-gina-rinehart-polar-bears/100569118 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/fact-check-gina-rineh...

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

> "people start acting themselves " There are only 3 'individual' actions avaliable that have any real impact: Voting, Stop eating meat, and pitchforks / civil unrest. I predict we will reach phase 3 very suddenly and then there will be all these talking head on TV wondering 'oh my god, how did this happen?'.

the_cramer 4y ago
What about saving energy and not wasting water?
- 10u152 4y ago
  Being a vegan protester is clearly the only way to have any impact
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  if you live in an apartment, don't own a car and you main use of water is shower. There are no real energy savings avaliable without cutting back on hygene
adrianN 4y ago
Of these, voting has the only real impact, because no action an individual can take (safe for suicide) can make their life carbon neutral. That needs policy.