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Almost every Ferrari sold since 2005 is being recalled
- leereeves 4y agoThe headline sounds bad, but all this means is that Ferrari will install a new brake fluid reservoir cap on every vehicle.
- ARandumGuy 4y agoWhile the term recall seems dramatic, most automotive recalls involve fairly simple fixes. Cars are complicated machines, and it's pretty common for issues to pop up over the years.
- metadat 4y agoIssues leading to total brake failure? I'm going to pass on the Ferrari, would rather buy 20 Highlanders than one expensive Italian stallion.
- kube-system 4y agoIf you buy 20 Toyota Highlanders, make sure they’ve had their brake recalls done: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2018/RCONL-18V211-1705.pdf https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2018/RCONL-18V211-1705.pdf
- metadat 4y agoHey kube-system, thanks- I'm open to being wrong. Did it take 15 years for Toyota to acknowledge the defects? Looks like this is limited to 2017 Sequoia and 2018 Highlander, and it's got to be less than 5 years. They also flash a warning light when the problem is detected.
- formerly_proven 4y agoUh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration#Sudden_acceleration_in_Toyota_vehicles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration... Yes, most of these were most likely caused by classic gas-and-brake confusion. Yet, the cars also had mechanical, electrical and software defects that could and did cause UA. > In an attempt to hide these defects from investigators, Toyota switched to verbal communication on the defect rather than traceable forms of communication. As a result, many new cars were knowingly produced with the same floor mat issues that had been identified as being having the potential to cause SUA problems in association with the defective pedal design. > ... on March 19, 2014, the DOJ issued a deferred prosecution agreement with a $1.2 billion criminal penalty for issuing misleading and deceptive statements to its consumers and federal regulators, as well as hiding another cause of unintended acceleration, the sticky pedal, from the NHTSA. This fine was separate from the $1.2 billion settlement of a class action suit ... ... Nearly 400 wrongful-death and personal injury cases were also privately settled by Toyota as a result of unintended acceleration.
- metadat 4y agoSigh.. yeah. I admit I was wrong here. Big car companies are generally aligned on this front. I don't get it, they're developing and delivering safety critical systems. Why does it take hundreds of incidents before corrective action is taken? I prefer the NTSB approach (shared by most countries aviation safety councils): Every major incident is investigated to ensure lessons are learned so it isn't repeated. Unfortunate how low the bar is to be allowed to operate a motor death machine. On average the cause is "driver error".
- lbriner 4y agoYeah it sounds bad but it could also be described as "Potential problem on Ferrari is so rare, that it hasn't been noticed since 2005"
- bryanlarsen 4y agoNo, it's been known for at least a couple of years, it took a lawsuit for them to do anything. https://thebrakereport.com/brake-fluid-leak-leads-to-ferrari-suit/ https://thebrakereport.com/brake-fluid-leak-leads-to-ferrari...
- jguimont 4y agoHum - I believe this is what the hand brake is for no? Do Ferraris not have hand brakes?
- kube-system 4y agoParking brakes are really just intended to hold a car still when parked. They’re typically not very effective at stopping a moving car, nor designed to.
- sokoloff 4y agoThe emergency brake in a car has a small fraction of the braking force of the service (normal) brakes. The emergency/parking brake typically acts only on the rear brakes and often via a separate braking surface that is nowhere near as powerful as the rear service brakes, to say nothing of the all-wheel service brakes.
- Bedon292 4y agoIts also <24,000 cars in the US. So pretty small compared to others. Major US car manufacturers recall millions of vehicles at a time. And I believe the Takata Airbag recall covered something like 70 million across all manufacturers.
- mistrial9 4y agowhy is this not a tracking/records check on the owners of these status vehicles?
- KMnO4 4y agoPeople need to stop shaming manufacturers for recalling their vehicles. The alternative is NOT letting the consumer know about these issues, NOT fixing them, or charging a substantial fee to fix them. If Firefox discovered a security vulnerability and pushed an update proactively, no one would think twice.
- throwaway0a5e 4y agoIt's not that people don't like recalls. They don't really care about them very much. It's that they don't like Ferrari (not that they dislike Ferrari, they just don't like them) and the recall is an excuse to say bad things. It's like middle school all over again where nobody actually cares about <attribute> but if they don't like you <attribute> will be used to make fun of you. If this was a Toyota or Honda recall they would be saying "look they care about their customers" or "other manufacturers wouldn't have recalled that". Gotta love double standards.
- abakker 4y agoToyota is literally buying back its electric cars because the wheels might fall off. https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/08/business/toyota-bz4x-buy-back/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/08/business/toyota-bz4x-buy-back... Everyone has issues.
- throwaway0a5e 4y agoI agree. The edge between manufacturers in practice is tiny. But some manufactures catch a lot more flak than others for their failings and in my observation this has a lot more to do with perception of what kinds of people tend to buy what kinds of cars than it has to do with the cars themselves.
- FatalLogic 4y agoI think you've raised a very relevant issue. Some brands include a perceived element of social signaling (especially 'wealth-signaling'), and that will inevitably generate some negative pushback, as we see here Tesla would be another example, and also most so-called 'luxury' brands like Ferrari of course I'm not saying it's right, or it's wrong, but this phenomenon exists
- julienfr112 4y agoCan't they send the cap by mail ?
- isk517 4y agoFrom my experience car manufactures like any recall work to be done at their dealerships regardless of the amount of skills required. I imagine they like to confirm that the repair has been applied in order to reduce any future liability.
- rasz 4y agoNot to mention opportunity for service upsell.
- 40acres 4y agoCharles LeClerc: "first time"?
- HanP77 4y agoWe are checking
- Qw3r7 4y agoClearly it's just a pit stop strategy, nothing to see here lol
- defterGoose 4y agoCharles: "I can't stop the car" Checo: "My drink system isn't working"
- Bayart 4y ago*Leclerc (pet peeve of mine).
- tsomctl 4y ago> and a software patch that lets a driver know if their brake fluid reservoir is running low. You mean like every single other vehicle ever made? I thought this was a law. Also, if all it takes is a software patch, then that means there already a fluid level switch in the reservoir. Unless they are doing some magic computation that measures the brake fluid pressure and the brake pedal position that's able to detect air bubbles in the line. Modern ABS controllers are already doing a full physics simulation of the hydraulic brake circuits, so it's possible.
- raverbashing 4y agoIt probably means "a new software release tuned to the new brake fluid cap conditions"
- sweuder 4y agoMaybe on higher end or newer vehicles sure, but for your standard economy vehicle made in the last 2 decades its commonly just visually reading (as in a human just looking with their eyeballs) the fluid level on the reservoir. No sensors or switches involved. (Obviously not relevant to ferrari)
- tsomctl 4y agoVisually? Really? Didn't know that. I only own and work on old vehicles, and those all have a float with a magnet that triggers a reed switch.
- kube-system 4y agoMy Honda Civic had one 30 years ago.. a quick search for that part shows that it interchanges back to a 1980 Civic too.
- sokoloff 4y agoEvery car I've worked on over the last 3 decades has a brake fluid level sensor (usually just a go/no-go float switch). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsGZJFMgUpA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsGZJFMgUpA has a quick view to it on a random car in the first 11 seconds of the video. (Something very much like) This is required by 49 CFR §571.135.S5.5 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/571.135 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/571.135
- phendrenad2 4y agoReminds me of some Jay Leno youtube video I saw recently, where he says he doesn't own any Ferarris because the company won't sell you one unless you agree to a yearly service contract.
- andsoitis 4y agoJay Leno has quite the car collection: https://blog.dupontregistry.com/jay-lenos-garage/jay-lenos-car-collection/ https://blog.dupontregistry.com/jay-lenos-garage/jay-lenos-c...
- upupandup 4y agoYes but also take Jay's praises about Mclaren with a grain of salt. He is a celebrity, the rest of us are just sheeps. Mclaren's build quality and depreciation is a lot more serious than Ferrari. We are talking brand new cars purchased that create issues with unapolgeic stance from dealerships. Just watch all the horrible testimnonials from ex-Mclaren Its almost like they saw what Ferrari was getting away with and decided to up them.
- Kon-Peki 4y agoI don't pay attention to the supercar world (perhaps later in life, I am a temporarily embarrassed billionaire after all). But that surprises me. A few years ago I was out on a bike ride with my kids, and we had a flat tire right in front of the local Mclaren dealership. I popped in and asked if they had a tire pump I could borrow. The mechanic came out and fixed the tire for me. While we waited, the salesman showed off the cars to my kids. I have a photo somewhere on my computer of one of them in the driver's seat acting like they are a race car driver. If the dealerships are so awful to customers, why are they so nice to random people off the street?
- LgWoodenBadger 4y agoBecause that doesn’t cost them money. The problems with McLarens come from the factory, and I’m sure the factory says “fuck off” to the dealership so the dealership passes then”fuck off” to the customer.
- xrd 4y ago"How the hell am I gonna get to work?" Said not one of these owners.
- upupandup 4y agoAnother looming reality is that F1 transmission Ferraris made prior to the DCT transmission introduced in the 458 are largely a ticking financial bomb: The cost to replace the primitive paddle shift introduce late 90s and only somewhat perfected in the 430 Scuderia (around 09) is enormous. So much that these cars have depreciated significantly while manual versions have skyrocketed in value, especially the F430 manual. It's the uncomfortable truth that while Ferraris are great cars, they are horribly made, without much consideration for durability or efficiency that you find in German manufacturers. You might get lucky and never have to spend more than the yearly maintenance and oil changes but you certainly wouldn't push lot of KMs on it knowing what it does to your resale value and chances of "Ferrari recommended repairs". Ferrari feels like rackateering. Pay them a ridiculous premium for a non-stellar build quality and ever increasing residual fees to an authorized dealership that will be happy to charge you a few thousand dollars for something that costs way less elsewhere. Steering is light and doesn't instill a sense of confidence at high speeds like you would get with Lamborghini or Porsche. On top of that Ferrari can go after their own customers for doing whats within their fair use (ex. Purrari) and blacklist them so their cars cannot be serviced or out right banned from purchasing (ex. David Lee) for something that wasn't in their control. but my god they sound great and fun to drive. its just that the drama and high maintenance cost isn't an issue with other brands in this segment (except McLaren).
- Kon-Peki 4y agoI never got the impression that the DCT transmissions that Audi uses are all that durable either. They're probably all using the same supplier.
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- kurupt213 4y agoWho buys an automatic Ferrari?
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- simple10 4y ago"Every Ferrari since 2005" is a bit clickbaity. Apparently it's about 24,000 cars [1] with a relatively minor fix. https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/ferrari-recall-24000-cars-potential-brake-failure/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/ferrari-recall-24000-cars...
- switch007 4y agoI think most people know that far fewer Ferraris are sold than say Corollas.
- netsharc 4y agoThey don't produce millions of these cars (as part of the exclusivity), 24000 could be the entire production run of the last 16 years..
- froidpink 4y agoWell, considering Ferrari only sells 8k cars/year worldwide I think 24k cars is not far off from being all cars sold in the US in the past 17 years
- GekkePrutser 4y ago> Plaintiff Rose drove the Ferrari slowly home and pulled into the driveway of his residence at approximately 10 miles per hour in first gear. When he attempted to press the brake pedal nothing happened. Plaintiff Rose’s 2020 Vehicle continued moving forward into his yard with Plaintiff Rose continually trying to press the brakes but the brakes would not engage. Plaintiff Rose frantically released his seat belt, opened the driver’s side door and jumped out of the moving vehicle just before it entered the 20-foot-deep pond behind his residence and sunk to the bottom.” This sounds like a case where the handbrake could have helped a lot. When I still owned cars they had to be cable operated precisely to have a backup against hydraulic failure. Perhaps this is no longer the case. But stopping a car going 10mph with a handbrake doesn't seem far-fetched.
- fermuch 4y agoPutting the car in neutral should be tried first, since it disconnects the engine from the wheels. Handbrake stops the wheels immediately. At 10mph might not be that bad but still, neutral is the safest bet IMO
- njarboe 4y agoAn actual old-school handbrake can be engaged gradually. One reason I'm not fond of the new automatic parking brake systems.
- starwind 4y agoYou're right. If you ever lose your brakes get the car in neutral and try to coast to a stop. That said, he had his foot on the brake so I assume he had the clutch in
- adolph 4y agoThe episode of CHiPs that demonstrates this procedure was later cited as a source by police officers who encountered a vehicle with a similar problem. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/feb/03/usa.stevenmorris https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/feb/03/usa.stevenmorr...
- gnicholas 4y agoWow this recall was triggered by a lawsuit from a guy whose first Ferrari was totaled by this defect, then replaced by insurance, and the second Ferrari suffered the exact same defect. > Rose’s insurance company declared the car a total loss and he replaced it with a 2018 Ferrari GTB 488, which he claimed in July 2021 suffered complete brake failure as well. [1] 1: https://thebrakereport.com/brake-fluid-leak-leads-to-ferrari-suit/ https://thebrakereport.com/brake-fluid-leak-leads-to-ferrari...
- LunarCamper 4y agoYou buy an Italian car for their looks, not their engineering.