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> Again, these are people who came so close to thinking about genuine issues of welfare, put their money behind their blog posts, and then... walked back into t

> Again, these are people who came so close to thinking about genuine issues of welfare, put their money behind their blog posts, and then... walked back into the introvert weeds of worrying about (...) So many words just to say "they don't value the exact same stuff I value". You're free to put your money where your heart is, just like them. It's not right to hit back at those who are doing what's right by their own account.

ajross 4y ago
> You're free to put your money where your heart is, just like them. This argument is appearing again and again in this subthread. "Putting your money where your heart is" is the exact opposite of what EA claims to believe. EA is about investing effort and money into areas with the highest marginal value to humanity. So if they're spending their time talking about the robot invasion, we can only conclude that's where they think that effort should be spent. Obviously they're free to do whatever they want with their own time and money. But if they spend that time pretending that SkyNet or WOPR is the greatest threat to humanity that the rest of us should be spending our marginal effort on, it's on the rest of us to call them out on that nosense.
- arinlen 4y ago
  > EA is about investing effort and money into areas with the highest marginal value to humanity. And it's the individual who determines that? Or does your own personal opinion override everyone else's world views?
  - ajross 4y ago
    If I think you're wrong in your advocacy for some policy initiative, it's absolutely my responsibility[1] to tell people you're wrong. (It's also my right to tell people how exasperating I find your wrong priorities to be given the principles you claim are behind them, FWIW.) [1] "Responsibitility", i.e. not just my "right" in a liberty sense! Again, the theory behind EA is that we should collectively decide on the most effective altruistic actions based on rationalist principles. Those principles absolutely include "you're wrong about the robot overlords thing".

ajross 4y ago

> You're free to put your money where your heart is, just like them. This argument is appearing again and again in this subthread. "Putting your money where your heart is" is the exact opposite of what EA claims to believe. EA is about investing effort and money into areas with the highest marginal value to humanity. So if they're spending their time talking about the robot invasion, we can only conclude that's where they think that effort should be spent. Obviously they're free to do whatever they want with their own time and money. But if they spend that time pretending that SkyNet or WOPR is the greatest threat to humanity that the rest of us should be spending our marginal effort on, it's on the rest of us to call them out on that nosense.

arinlen 4y ago
> EA is about investing effort and money into areas with the highest marginal value to humanity. And it's the individual who determines that? Or does your own personal opinion override everyone else's world views?
- ajross 4y ago
  If I think you're wrong in your advocacy for some policy initiative, it's absolutely my responsibility[1] to tell people you're wrong. (It's also my right to tell people how exasperating I find your wrong priorities to be given the principles you claim are behind them, FWIW.) [1] "Responsibitility", i.e. not just my "right" in a liberty sense! Again, the theory behind EA is that we should collectively decide on the most effective altruistic actions based on rationalist principles. Those principles absolutely include "you're wrong about the robot overlords thing".