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I had similar numbers on my i9 MBP. Last week, on my M1 MBP, I spent an hour in a Teams (Electron!) call while off power and battery went from 99% to 96%. Int

I had similar numbers on my i9 MBP. Last week, on my M1 MBP, I spent an hour in a Teams (Electron!) call while off power and battery went from 99% to 96%. Intel needs to match that to even be in the game for portables IMO.

spaceman_2020 4y ago
The M1/M2 laptops are so above and beyond anything from AMD and Intel that it’s almost a joke. If Apple was really smart and had enough supply, it could drop the price down a couple of hundred dollars and completely take over the laptop market.
- Galaxeblaffer 4y ago
  It's already way cheaper than comparable windows machines
- eertami 4y ago
  Price isn't the thing that keeps most people I know away from Macbooks (after all, it's the employers/business expense). I'm sure many people would like an M1 machine for the efficiency but the software is simply not ideal. If they invested in contributing Linux drivers they'd probably be able to takeover the market for developers. Asahi is slowly improving, but it doesn't feel ready yet to be someone's sole daily machine. Ultimately my M1 MBP sits on the shelf collecting dust, except for occasional testing. My smaller and lighter Intel laptop already gets 8 hours of battery life which is more than enough for me, and has perfect Linux support.
  - brailsafe 4y ago
    I suppose you mostly know ppl who run linux as their primary os then? Certainly in web dev all macs have been extremely popular.
    - varispeed 4y ago
      As someone who uses Linux daily and generally dislikes macOS, I got all my Linux tools up and running on macOS, Docker runs well and many Linux things I run on an external cluster. So I am content. The macOS UI is bit annoying and the fact that you have to install tiny apps like to have a separate trackpad and mouse scrolling direction is not ideal, but yeah it's all dwarfed by the fact I finally can't hear any fans and performance is just as good as plugged in. I can't remember when I last time had a laptop on a sofa without having to worry about the charger and getting laps uncomfortably hot.
      - Bellyache5 4y ago
        You don’t need separate apps to set scrolling directions for the trackpad and external nice. It’s all in System Preferences.
        GekkePrutser 4y ago
        They're separate tickboxes yes, but if you tick one it ticks the other. At least it did when I still used macOS on portables. Now I only have a mini left for work
        BigJ1211 4y ago
        I just checked on my work Macbook, this is still correct and utterly stupid behaviour. 'Natural scroll direction' is global for all pointer devices. Internal, external trackpad and mouse.
        KptMarchewa 4y ago
        The toggle bundles trackpad and scrolling setting in one - I want to have their "natural scroll direction" on trackpad and reverse on mice. Scroll reverser allows you to set them up separately.
      - brailsafe 4y ago
        I've never used Linux daily, always macOS or osx, but all the same tooling probably day to day and the M series will be a no-brainer upgrade when it comes time. I would like some more colours that aren't super fingerprinty in the pro line though. Pretty bored of silver and grey
  - tmccrary55 4y ago
    If they added some kind of Bootcamp for Developers, I'd switch to a MBP tomorrow. And I just bought a maxed out XPS 13 Plus, which I generally like.
- nicolaslem 4y ago
  > The M1/M2 laptops are so above and beyond anything from AMD and Intel that it’s almost a joke. This may have been true when the M1 was just released, but the gap both in performance and power consumption is shrinking. And that's with the competition still being one process node behind.
- KingOfCoders 4y ago
  I assume the M1/M2 performance versions are much more expensive (very large L1/L2 caches, see Ryzen vs Ryzen X3D performance, and that only increases cheap L3 cache) than AMD processors. Apple can afford this I assume with high end laptop and their margins from owning the supply chain. Apple has the benefit of not telling and you can't buy an M1 (?). I would be interested about production costs of Ryzen vs. M1/M2 processors, any sources?
  - KingOfCoders 4y ago
    Also because I assume ARM needs less transistors compared to x86 so they can use more die area for caches.
    - selectodude 4y ago
      If you look at die shots of any new chip, x86 or ARM, the actual CPU cores are taking up a smaller and smaller percentage of the die.
- windowsrookie 4y ago
  The rumored 15" MacBook Air may just do that. The base M2 chip is plenty fast and with the larger case they could put an even larger battery in and push battery life to 30+ hours.
hertzrat 4y ago
I recently turned down a m1 mba for $1100 in favour of a 2015 mba for $500. The keyboard is so dramatically better in the 2015 model, I couldn’t believe it. The battery is great, seems to last about 10h in a charge while writing and browsing and using discord. I don’t care how fast it is as long as it continues to have those mediocre low travel keyboards. They’re better than their worst keyboards from the 2018 era but they still aren’t good
- okasaki 4y ago
  Why not just buy a keyboard (that's better than any laptop keyboard)? There are many benefits. I always consider the built-in keyboard as a sort of emergency/convenience tool.
  - hertzrat 4y ago
    I’d rather have a portable device that doesn’t need a separate keyboard

spaceman_2020 4y ago

The M1/M2 laptops are so above and beyond anything from AMD and Intel that it’s almost a joke. If Apple was really smart and had enough supply, it could drop the price down a couple of hundred dollars and completely take over the laptop market.

Galaxeblaffer 4y ago
It's already way cheaper than comparable windows machines
eertami 4y ago
Price isn't the thing that keeps most people I know away from Macbooks (after all, it's the employers/business expense). I'm sure many people would like an M1 machine for the efficiency but the software is simply not ideal. If they invested in contributing Linux drivers they'd probably be able to takeover the market for developers. Asahi is slowly improving, but it doesn't feel ready yet to be someone's sole daily machine. Ultimately my M1 MBP sits on the shelf collecting dust, except for occasional testing. My smaller and lighter Intel laptop already gets 8 hours of battery life which is more than enough for me, and has perfect Linux support.
- brailsafe 4y ago
  I suppose you mostly know ppl who run linux as their primary os then? Certainly in web dev all macs have been extremely popular.
  - varispeed 4y ago
    As someone who uses Linux daily and generally dislikes macOS, I got all my Linux tools up and running on macOS, Docker runs well and many Linux things I run on an external cluster. So I am content. The macOS UI is bit annoying and the fact that you have to install tiny apps like to have a separate trackpad and mouse scrolling direction is not ideal, but yeah it's all dwarfed by the fact I finally can't hear any fans and performance is just as good as plugged in. I can't remember when I last time had a laptop on a sofa without having to worry about the charger and getting laps uncomfortably hot.
    - Bellyache5 4y ago
      You don’t need separate apps to set scrolling directions for the trackpad and external nice. It’s all in System Preferences.
      - GekkePrutser 4y ago
        They're separate tickboxes yes, but if you tick one it ticks the other. At least it did when I still used macOS on portables. Now I only have a mini left for work
        BigJ1211 4y ago
        I just checked on my work Macbook, this is still correct and utterly stupid behaviour. 'Natural scroll direction' is global for all pointer devices. Internal, external trackpad and mouse.
      - KptMarchewa 4y ago
        The toggle bundles trackpad and scrolling setting in one - I want to have their "natural scroll direction" on trackpad and reverse on mice. Scroll reverser allows you to set them up separately.
    - brailsafe 4y ago
      I've never used Linux daily, always macOS or osx, but all the same tooling probably day to day and the M series will be a no-brainer upgrade when it comes time. I would like some more colours that aren't super fingerprinty in the pro line though. Pretty bored of silver and grey
- tmccrary55 4y ago
  If they added some kind of Bootcamp for Developers, I'd switch to a MBP tomorrow. And I just bought a maxed out XPS 13 Plus, which I generally like.
nicolaslem 4y ago
> The M1/M2 laptops are so above and beyond anything from AMD and Intel that it’s almost a joke. This may have been true when the M1 was just released, but the gap both in performance and power consumption is shrinking. And that's with the competition still being one process node behind.
KingOfCoders 4y ago
I assume the M1/M2 performance versions are much more expensive (very large L1/L2 caches, see Ryzen vs Ryzen X3D performance, and that only increases cheap L3 cache) than AMD processors. Apple can afford this I assume with high end laptop and their margins from owning the supply chain. Apple has the benefit of not telling and you can't buy an M1 (?). I would be interested about production costs of Ryzen vs. M1/M2 processors, any sources?
- KingOfCoders 4y ago
  Also because I assume ARM needs less transistors compared to x86 so they can use more die area for caches.
  - selectodude 4y ago
    If you look at die shots of any new chip, x86 or ARM, the actual CPU cores are taking up a smaller and smaller percentage of the die.
windowsrookie 4y ago
The rumored 15" MacBook Air may just do that. The base M2 chip is plenty fast and with the larger case they could put an even larger battery in and push battery life to 30+ hours.

hertzrat 4y ago

I recently turned down a m1 mba for $1100 in favour of a 2015 mba for $500. The keyboard is so dramatically better in the 2015 model, I couldn’t believe it. The battery is great, seems to last about 10h in a charge while writing and browsing and using discord. I don’t care how fast it is as long as it continues to have those mediocre low travel keyboards. They’re better than their worst keyboards from the 2018 era but they still aren’t good

okasaki 4y ago
Why not just buy a keyboard (that's better than any laptop keyboard)? There are many benefits. I always consider the built-in keyboard as a sort of emergency/convenience tool.
- hertzrat 4y ago
  I’d rather have a portable device that doesn’t need a separate keyboard