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You are forbidden by law to have an accident of this nature. Yes. If you do cause an accident of this nature you are criminally negligent no matter the circumst

by Doxin 4y ago

You are forbidden by law to have an accident of this nature. Yes. If you do cause an accident of this nature you are criminally negligent no matter the circumstances leading up to the accident because it's your duty to ensure it doesn't. Of course you need to keep in mind that courts in Europe tend to not hold to the letter of the law quite as strongly as US courts seem to do. Laws like these are mostly so the judicial system gets booted up when something awful happens. Might still turn out that no one was responsible for the accident. Might turn out the boss of the guy throwing the switch was responsible. Or the equipment manufacturer.

chrisseaton 4y ago
Doesn’t make having an accident illegal make it more likely that people won’t report the accidents and won’t learn and improve?
- Doxin 4y ago
  Making this sort of accident legal makes it definitive that people won't report it. Because there's no requirement to.
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    > Making this sort of accident legal makes it definitive that people won't report it. Because there's no requirement to. Huh? No. Make it a legal requirement to report it. Then there is all the incentive to report it and no incentive not to. If it's illegal to have the accident, then attempting to cover it up is the most rational course of action, because if you can not report and get away with it then that's the only way you aren't punished. If instead it's just a legal requirement to report it, then reporting it is the most rational course of action, because you can report and then aren't punished.
    - Macha 4y ago
      Right, but inserting a legal incentive to do everything to prevent the accident is considered more important than inserting a legal incentive to report when it happens. If there was no consequences to having the accident, sure, you'd know all about the ones that happen, but there wouldn't be much incentive for investing in prevention
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  - atoav 4y ago
    We are talking about accidents that mostly happen on the ownership border between house owners and grid maintainers. If you can cover up an arc flash there in such a way they will not notice on their next visit without dying, you might deserve to get away with it.
- smcl 4y ago
  It sounds like an accident of this nature would be quite difficult to cover-up, and given that doing so would be a criminal offense I imagine it's an easy decision for those involved to just go ahead and file the appropriate reports.

by Doxin 4y ago

chrisseaton 4y ago

Doesn’t make having an accident illegal make it more likely that people won’t report the accidents and won’t learn and improve?

Doxin 4y ago
Making this sort of accident legal makes it definitive that people won't report it. Because there's no requirement to.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  > Making this sort of accident legal makes it definitive that people won't report it. Because there's no requirement to. Huh? No. Make it a legal requirement to report it. Then there is all the incentive to report it and no incentive not to. If it's illegal to have the accident, then attempting to cover it up is the most rational course of action, because if you can not report and get away with it then that's the only way you aren't punished. If instead it's just a legal requirement to report it, then reporting it is the most rational course of action, because you can report and then aren't punished.
  - Macha 4y ago
    Right, but inserting a legal incentive to do everything to prevent the accident is considered more important than inserting a legal incentive to report when it happens. If there was no consequences to having the accident, sure, you'd know all about the ones that happen, but there wouldn't be much incentive for investing in prevention
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- atoav 4y ago
  We are talking about accidents that mostly happen on the ownership border between house owners and grid maintainers. If you can cover up an arc flash there in such a way they will not notice on their next visit without dying, you might deserve to get away with it.
smcl 4y ago
It sounds like an accident of this nature would be quite difficult to cover-up, and given that doing so would be a criminal offense I imagine it's an easy decision for those involved to just go ahead and file the appropriate reports.