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How is 12th gen compared to 10th gen, in your experience? My XPS 13 on a 10th gen i7 just becomes absolute syrup on battery, even if I put it in high performan

How is 12th gen compared to 10th gen, in your experience? My XPS 13 on a 10th gen i7 just becomes absolute syrup on battery, even if I put it in high performance mode.

okasaki 4y ago
I have an XPS 17 with 12th gen and it drains around 50% battery per hour on a zoom call. edit: My laptop has a i7-12700H, which uses more power than the cpu in the framework laptop. More thoughts: The laptop is pretty much always plugged in. When I'm out I carry a little 60W charger with me. However for other reasons I wouldn't recommend the XPS 17. I have a Lenovo legion 7 at home that I'm more happy with (cheaper, better performance, lots of ports, etc)
- 867-5309 4y ago
  the one with a 17" 4K HDR touchscreen and RTX 3000 series? they will deplete the battery far quicker than the processor
- augustl 4y ago
  Thanks for the real-world numbers! This is good for my emotional state, as I've switched from Windows to a MB Pro solely because of the battery life and performance of the M1 Pro chip.
- indemnity 4y ago
  I had similar numbers on my i9 MBP. Last week, on my M1 MBP, I spent an hour in a Teams (Electron!) call while off power and battery went from 99% to 96%. Intel needs to match that to even be in the game for portables IMO.
  - spaceman_2020 4y ago
    The M1/M2 laptops are so above and beyond anything from AMD and Intel that it’s almost a joke. If Apple was really smart and had enough supply, it could drop the price down a couple of hundred dollars and completely take over the laptop market.
    - Galaxeblaffer 4y ago
      It's already way cheaper than comparable windows machines
    - eertami 4y ago
      Price isn't the thing that keeps most people I know away from Macbooks (after all, it's the employers/business expense). I'm sure many people would like an M1 machine for the efficiency but the software is simply not ideal. If they invested in contributing Linux drivers they'd probably be able to takeover the market for developers. Asahi is slowly improving, but it doesn't feel ready yet to be someone's sole daily machine. Ultimately my M1 MBP sits on the shelf collecting dust, except for occasional testing. My smaller and lighter Intel laptop already gets 8 hours of battery life which is more than enough for me, and has perfect Linux support.
      - brailsafe 4y ago
        I suppose you mostly know ppl who run linux as their primary os then? Certainly in web dev all macs have been extremely popular.
        varispeed 4y ago
        As someone who uses Linux daily and generally dislikes macOS, I got all my Linux tools up and running on macOS, Docker runs well and many Linux things I run on an external cluster. So I am content. The macOS UI is bit annoying and the fact that you have to install tiny apps like to have a separate trackpad and mouse scrolling direction is not ideal, but yeah it's all dwarfed by the fact I finally can't hear any fans and performance is just as good as plugged in. I can't remember when I last time had a laptop on a sofa without having to worry about the charger and getting laps uncomfortably hot.
        Bellyache5 4y ago
        You don’t need separate apps to set scrolling directions for the trackpad and external nice. It’s all in System Preferences.
  - hertzrat 4y ago
    I recently turned down a m1 mba for $1100 in favour of a 2015 mba for $500. The keyboard is so dramatically better in the 2015 model, I couldn’t believe it. The battery is great, seems to last about 10h in a charge while writing and browsing and using discord. I don’t care how fast it is as long as it continues to have those mediocre low travel keyboards. They’re better than their worst keyboards from the 2018 era but they still aren’t good
    - okasaki 4y ago
      Why not just buy a keyboard (that's better than any laptop keyboard)? There are many benefits. I always consider the built-in keyboard as a sort of emergency/convenience tool.
      - hertzrat 4y ago
        I’d rather have a portable device that doesn’t need a separate keyboard
- csomar 4y ago
  I also have the XPS 17 with i7-12700H and 4K screen. I'm able to get 8-10 hours of work (compiling Rust, several docker containers on the run, at least a dozens tabs, etc...). I'm on ArchLinux with a window manager and no desktop whatsoever. I also disabled the GPU. I wonder if there is something draining your battery on the background.
- liminal 4y ago
  Zoom battery usage per hour should be a standard metric. Nothing kills a battery faster.

How is 12th gen compared to 10th gen, in your experience? My XPS 13 on a 10th gen i7 just becomes absolute syrup on battery, even if I put it in high performance mode.

okasaki 4y ago

I have an XPS 17 with 12th gen and it drains around 50% battery per hour on a zoom call. edit: My laptop has a i7-12700H, which uses more power than the cpu in the framework laptop. More thoughts: The laptop is pretty much always plugged in. When I'm out I carry a little 60W charger with me. However for other reasons I wouldn't recommend the XPS 17. I have a Lenovo legion 7 at home that I'm more happy with (cheaper, better performance, lots of ports, etc)

867-5309 4y ago
the one with a 17" 4K HDR touchscreen and RTX 3000 series? they will deplete the battery far quicker than the processor
augustl 4y ago
Thanks for the real-world numbers! This is good for my emotional state, as I've switched from Windows to a MB Pro solely because of the battery life and performance of the M1 Pro chip.
indemnity 4y ago
I had similar numbers on my i9 MBP. Last week, on my M1 MBP, I spent an hour in a Teams (Electron!) call while off power and battery went from 99% to 96%. Intel needs to match that to even be in the game for portables IMO.
- spaceman_2020 4y ago
  The M1/M2 laptops are so above and beyond anything from AMD and Intel that it’s almost a joke. If Apple was really smart and had enough supply, it could drop the price down a couple of hundred dollars and completely take over the laptop market.
  - Galaxeblaffer 4y ago
    It's already way cheaper than comparable windows machines
  - eertami 4y ago
    Price isn't the thing that keeps most people I know away from Macbooks (after all, it's the employers/business expense). I'm sure many people would like an M1 machine for the efficiency but the software is simply not ideal. If they invested in contributing Linux drivers they'd probably be able to takeover the market for developers. Asahi is slowly improving, but it doesn't feel ready yet to be someone's sole daily machine. Ultimately my M1 MBP sits on the shelf collecting dust, except for occasional testing. My smaller and lighter Intel laptop already gets 8 hours of battery life which is more than enough for me, and has perfect Linux support.
    - brailsafe 4y ago
      I suppose you mostly know ppl who run linux as their primary os then? Certainly in web dev all macs have been extremely popular.
      - varispeed 4y ago
        As someone who uses Linux daily and generally dislikes macOS, I got all my Linux tools up and running on macOS, Docker runs well and many Linux things I run on an external cluster. So I am content. The macOS UI is bit annoying and the fact that you have to install tiny apps like to have a separate trackpad and mouse scrolling direction is not ideal, but yeah it's all dwarfed by the fact I finally can't hear any fans and performance is just as good as plugged in. I can't remember when I last time had a laptop on a sofa without having to worry about the charger and getting laps uncomfortably hot.
        Bellyache5 4y ago
        You don’t need separate apps to set scrolling directions for the trackpad and external nice. It’s all in System Preferences.
- hertzrat 4y ago
  I recently turned down a m1 mba for $1100 in favour of a 2015 mba for $500. The keyboard is so dramatically better in the 2015 model, I couldn’t believe it. The battery is great, seems to last about 10h in a charge while writing and browsing and using discord. I don’t care how fast it is as long as it continues to have those mediocre low travel keyboards. They’re better than their worst keyboards from the 2018 era but they still aren’t good
  - okasaki 4y ago
    Why not just buy a keyboard (that's better than any laptop keyboard)? There are many benefits. I always consider the built-in keyboard as a sort of emergency/convenience tool.
    - hertzrat 4y ago
      I’d rather have a portable device that doesn’t need a separate keyboard
csomar 4y ago
I also have the XPS 17 with i7-12700H and 4K screen. I'm able to get 8-10 hours of work (compiling Rust, several docker containers on the run, at least a dozens tabs, etc...). I'm on ArchLinux with a window manager and no desktop whatsoever. I also disabled the GPU. I wonder if there is something draining your battery on the background.
liminal 4y ago
Zoom battery usage per hour should be a standard metric. Nothing kills a battery faster.