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That's quite a bit more expensive than complaining on HN, or just buying a Lenovo

by exyi 4y ago

lhl 4y ago
The HP EliteBooks (and the new Dev One Linux variant) also have trackpoints. Just in case anyone's interested in making their own though, I've seen a few DIY trackpoint projects over the years (mostly on custom mechs, not laptop keyboards though). Here's a writeup on one: https://edryd.org/posts/tp-mk/ https://edryd.org/posts/tp-mk/
- nicolaslem 4y ago
  > The HP EliteBooks also have trackpoints. Not anymore, they are gone with Gen 9 :(
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  > The HP EliteBooks (and the new Dev One Linux variant) also have trackpoints. Are those supposed to be any good? I have an EB Gen8 with one, but I find it horrendous. I'd like to know whether it's because I have no idea how to use it, or if my Linux setup is broken, or if the hardware is actually shitty.
  - f1refly 4y ago
    I had a company provided 2019 dell at my last job and the trackpoint was barely comparable to that of a 2011 thinkpad. If that's the only trackpoint experience is that some people get I understand why they'd never touch one again.
- chx 4y ago
  No they don't neither do the Dells, these do not have negative inertia because IBM patented that. And yes, there are DIY TrackPoint keyboards, I have a TEX Shinobi.
- commoner 4y ago
  The problem with many of HP's laptops that have pointing sticks, including the HP Dev One, is that they lack a middle mouse button for scrolling and middle-clicking. All Lenovo TrackPoints have that middle mouse button, which lets you scroll with the TrackPoint when it's held down. HP Dev One keyboard (no middle mouse button): https://media.graphassets.com/TdgqLuYTbeGM2oI8PWsV https://media.graphassets.com/TdgqLuYTbeGM2oI8PWsV ThinkPad Carbon X1 keyboard (with middle mouse button): https://www.lenovo.com/medias/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-x1-carbon-3-keyboard-3.jpg https://www.lenovo.com/medias/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-x1-carb... A keyboard with a pointing stick and no middle mouse button is a waste. Hopefully, any pointing stick keyboard for the Framework Laptop will include this button.
  - commoner 4y ago
    That second link isn't working anymore. Here's another picture of the ThinkPad X1 Carbon keyboard, with three mouse buttons: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/9264/Keyboard2.jpg https://images.anandtech.com/doci/9264/Keyboard2.jpg

That's quite a bit more expensive than complaining on HN, or just buying a Lenovo

by exyi 4y ago

That's quite a bit more expensive than complaining on HN, or just buying a Lenovo

lhl 4y ago

The HP EliteBooks (and the new Dev One Linux variant) also have trackpoints. Just in case anyone's interested in making their own though, I've seen a few DIY trackpoint projects over the years (mostly on custom mechs, not laptop keyboards though). Here's a writeup on one: https://edryd.org/posts/tp-mk/ https://edryd.org/posts/tp-mk/

nicolaslem 4y ago
> The HP EliteBooks also have trackpoints. Not anymore, they are gone with Gen 9 :(
vladvasiliu 4y ago
> The HP EliteBooks (and the new Dev One Linux variant) also have trackpoints. Are those supposed to be any good? I have an EB Gen8 with one, but I find it horrendous. I'd like to know whether it's because I have no idea how to use it, or if my Linux setup is broken, or if the hardware is actually shitty.
- f1refly 4y ago
  I had a company provided 2019 dell at my last job and the trackpoint was barely comparable to that of a 2011 thinkpad. If that's the only trackpoint experience is that some people get I understand why they'd never touch one again.
chx 4y ago
No they don't neither do the Dells, these do not have negative inertia because IBM patented that. And yes, there are DIY TrackPoint keyboards, I have a TEX Shinobi.
commoner 4y ago
The problem with many of HP's laptops that have pointing sticks, including the HP Dev One, is that they lack a middle mouse button for scrolling and middle-clicking. All Lenovo TrackPoints have that middle mouse button, which lets you scroll with the TrackPoint when it's held down. HP Dev One keyboard (no middle mouse button): https://media.graphassets.com/TdgqLuYTbeGM2oI8PWsV https://media.graphassets.com/TdgqLuYTbeGM2oI8PWsV ThinkPad Carbon X1 keyboard (with middle mouse button): https://www.lenovo.com/medias/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-x1-carbon-3-keyboard-3.jpg https://www.lenovo.com/medias/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-x1-carb... A keyboard with a pointing stick and no middle mouse button is a waste. Hopefully, any pointing stick keyboard for the Framework Laptop will include this button.
- commoner 4y ago
  That second link isn't working anymore. Here's another picture of the ThinkPad X1 Carbon keyboard, with three mouse buttons: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/9264/Keyboard2.jpg https://images.anandtech.com/doci/9264/Keyboard2.jpg