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It is fairly true (yeah, it's more complicated than a simple flat comparison, but in general, yes the EU and elsewhere does a better job and takes a more proact

by zeruch 4y ago

It is fairly true (yeah, it's more complicated than a simple flat comparison, but in general, yes the EU and elsewhere does a better job and takes a more proactive approach). Also, nice throwaway account. California is not the US (and frankly much of the US balks at California attempts to push things from gas mileage standards to any environmental quality standard to privacy, etc), and since the tail end of the Reagan years the US has largely given up its affirmative regulatory concerns to the EU. We're great at providing space for for-profit middlemen, but categorically mediocre or worse on preventative concerns. * https://www.safeopedia.com/2/4270/ehs/comparing-eu-health-safety-laws-across-the-pond https://www.safeopedia.com/2/4270/ehs/comparing-eu-health-sa... * https://www.theregreview.org/2013/01/01/01-oxholm-ppr-vogel/ https://www.theregreview.org/2013/01/01/01-oxholm-ppr-vogel/ * https://info.orrsafety.com/safety-hub/usa-vs-europe-biggest-difference-in-worker-safety https://info.orrsafety.com/safety-hub/usa-vs-europe-biggest-... * https://www.fooddocs.com/post/food-safety-standards https://www.fooddocs.com/post/food-safety-standards * https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2...

throwaway09223 4y ago
But you're cherry picking regulatory areas. The US is far more conservative and cautious around drugs, for example.
- zeruch 4y ago
  The irony of you saying I'm cherry picking, then doing it yourself looking for an out isn't lost on me. Given you picked the one area where the US started it's agency as an actual consumer-safety oriented one (a rarity), and a centralized one, is a good topic to look at: "The FDA historically developed as a consumer protection agency, whereas the regulations from the European Commission arose out of a need to harmonize inter-state commercial interests while preserving national “autonomy.” Thus, whereas the FDA has the advantages of centralization and common rules, the European Union regulates medical drug and device approvals through a network of centralized and decentralized agencies throughout its member states." - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452302X16300638 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452302X1... Congrats, you cherry picked the outlier. And I'd argue based on the fact that we actually allow endless Pharma advertising and doctor lobbying, and the EU generally forbids it, that we still come up short comparatively.
  - throwaway09223 4y ago
    An example of something you ignored in a categorical statement isn't cherry-picking. It's a counter-example disproving your claim. And it seems you agree, so we're done.
    - zeruch 4y ago
      " so we're done." Thank $DEITY_OF_CHOICE

by zeruch 4y ago

throwaway09223 4y ago

But you're cherry picking regulatory areas. The US is far more conservative and cautious around drugs, for example.

zeruch 4y ago
The irony of you saying I'm cherry picking, then doing it yourself looking for an out isn't lost on me. Given you picked the one area where the US started it's agency as an actual consumer-safety oriented one (a rarity), and a centralized one, is a good topic to look at: "The FDA historically developed as a consumer protection agency, whereas the regulations from the European Commission arose out of a need to harmonize inter-state commercial interests while preserving national “autonomy.” Thus, whereas the FDA has the advantages of centralization and common rules, the European Union regulates medical drug and device approvals through a network of centralized and decentralized agencies throughout its member states." - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452302X16300638 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452302X1... Congrats, you cherry picked the outlier. And I'd argue based on the fact that we actually allow endless Pharma advertising and doctor lobbying, and the EU generally forbids it, that we still come up short comparatively.
- throwaway09223 4y ago
  An example of something you ignored in a categorical statement isn't cherry-picking. It's a counter-example disproving your claim. And it seems you agree, so we're done.
  - zeruch 4y ago
    " so we're done." Thank $DEITY_OF_CHOICE