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Also there is nothing preventing Stock Image Sites themselves using Dall-E to generate additional images. Heck they can use their own existing images for traini

Also there is nothing preventing Stock Image Sites themselves using Dall-E to generate additional images. Heck they can use their own existing images for training (which the other's can't due to copyright issues) to increase the portfolio, but the Stock Image Sites can access free public images. So, counter-intuitively it may strengthen Stock Image Sites value

ShamelessC 4y ago
The training data for is partially made from Alamy , I think.
trynewideas 4y ago
Considering how DALL-E is fed with so many stock images that it sometimes spontaneously generates specific stock image websites' watermarks on output,[1] this is the stupidest, blandest possible ouroboros. [1] https://twitter.com/kevin2kelly/status/1551964984325812224 https://twitter.com/kevin2kelly/status/1551964984325812224
- bergenty 4y ago
  Meh it’s still original artwork. It’s derivative ha.
- ShannonLimiter 4y ago
  Is this DALL-E? There’s no DALL-E signature on the image. The same prompt with DALL-E gives me proper silhouettes with no watermark.
  - texasbigdata 4y ago
    This is such a clever hack: “here, take this answer; it’s good the ‘AI’ generated it”, and if you can’t check like you did you might be able to spoof a self serving recommendation through simply because interprability of the inference is so difficult and reproducing might be costly.
  - pmx 4y ago
    Probably Midjourney which doesn't add the signature and outputs 4 images likes this.
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  The latent-diffusion[1] I've got running at home frequently generates stock image watermarks (e.g. "The London Skyline at night in the style of Carboni"[2], images 1, 2, and 6) [1] https://github.com/CompVis/latent-diffusion https://github.com/CompVis/latent-diffusion [2] https://imgur.com/a/8tOI9QU https://imgur.com/a/8tOI9QU
- deltree7 4y ago
  Just because "Stock Image Sites" haven't sued Dall-E, doesn't mean it is legal. The minute Dall-E becomes a threat, these sites will enforce Dall-E to retrain from public / creative commons images. But Stock Image sites will and be one-up on Dall-E It's almost you don't how to play chess or business strategy.
password4321 4y ago
> (which the other's can't due to copyright issues) Be sure to pass this along to Microsoft's GitHub Copilot.
- bergenty 4y ago
  Nope copilot is only trained on open source codebases.
  - asddubs 4y ago
    open source isn't the same as public domain. the code is still copyrighted and has a specific license that has to be adhered to in order to be allowed to use it
    - zarzavat 4y ago
      Nobody knows whether or not training a NN is fair use. If it were ruled to be not fair use then it would basically shut down a large chunk of ML research in the US, as it's not just Copilot that is training on copyrighted data. All the large language models require copyrighted data such as web crawls as there is just not enough public domain material around. So even if you are right, and courts rule that training is not fair use, it seems likely that all the big tech companies would lobby Congress to restore the prior state of affairs, as not having an ML industry is somewhat of a national security issue if the rest of the world is going full steam ahead on making Skynet.
      - 9dev 4y ago
        „Dad, Dad! Can you give me your gun? I want to shoot myself in my foot!“ - „Oh no, why would you ever want to do this?!“ - „the neighbours are doing it too!“ - „oh, alrighty then!“ I swear, world politics and economics isn’t much different from that, intellectually….
        pseingatl 4y ago
        German quotation marks are now in the house.
lixtra 4y ago
> which other‘s can‘t due to copyright Apparently using copyrighted training data is okay in EU: Directive (EU) 2019/790 … on copyright and related rights Article 4 [1] [1] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32019L0790&rid=1#d1e1075-92-1 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...
- ectopod 4y ago
  That exception only applies when the license doesn't explicitly reserve the right. Open source licenses could be updated to prohibit use as training data, or at least to clarify the position.

ShamelessC 4y ago

The training data for is partially made from Alamy , I think.

trynewideas 4y ago

Considering how DALL-E is fed with so many stock images that it sometimes spontaneously generates specific stock image websites' watermarks on output,[1] this is the stupidest, blandest possible ouroboros. [1] https://twitter.com/kevin2kelly/status/1551964984325812224 https://twitter.com/kevin2kelly/status/1551964984325812224

bergenty 4y ago
Meh it’s still original artwork. It’s derivative ha.
ShannonLimiter 4y ago
Is this DALL-E? There’s no DALL-E signature on the image. The same prompt with DALL-E gives me proper silhouettes with no watermark.
- texasbigdata 4y ago
  This is such a clever hack: “here, take this answer; it’s good the ‘AI’ generated it”, and if you can’t check like you did you might be able to spoof a self serving recommendation through simply because interprability of the inference is so difficult and reproducing might be costly.
- pmx 4y ago
  Probably Midjourney which doesn't add the signature and outputs 4 images likes this.
zimpenfish 4y ago
The latent-diffusion[1] I've got running at home frequently generates stock image watermarks (e.g. "The London Skyline at night in the style of Carboni"[2], images 1, 2, and 6) [1] https://github.com/CompVis/latent-diffusion https://github.com/CompVis/latent-diffusion [2] https://imgur.com/a/8tOI9QU https://imgur.com/a/8tOI9QU
deltree7 4y ago
Just because "Stock Image Sites" haven't sued Dall-E, doesn't mean it is legal. The minute Dall-E becomes a threat, these sites will enforce Dall-E to retrain from public / creative commons images. But Stock Image sites will and be one-up on Dall-E It's almost you don't how to play chess or business strategy.

password4321 4y ago

> (which the other's can't due to copyright issues) Be sure to pass this along to Microsoft's GitHub Copilot.

bergenty 4y ago
Nope copilot is only trained on open source codebases.
- asddubs 4y ago
  open source isn't the same as public domain. the code is still copyrighted and has a specific license that has to be adhered to in order to be allowed to use it
  - zarzavat 4y ago
    Nobody knows whether or not training a NN is fair use. If it were ruled to be not fair use then it would basically shut down a large chunk of ML research in the US, as it's not just Copilot that is training on copyrighted data. All the large language models require copyrighted data such as web crawls as there is just not enough public domain material around. So even if you are right, and courts rule that training is not fair use, it seems likely that all the big tech companies would lobby Congress to restore the prior state of affairs, as not having an ML industry is somewhat of a national security issue if the rest of the world is going full steam ahead on making Skynet.
    - 9dev 4y ago
      „Dad, Dad! Can you give me your gun? I want to shoot myself in my foot!“ - „Oh no, why would you ever want to do this?!“ - „the neighbours are doing it too!“ - „oh, alrighty then!“ I swear, world politics and economics isn’t much different from that, intellectually….
      - pseingatl 4y ago
        German quotation marks are now in the house.

lixtra 4y ago

> which other‘s can‘t due to copyright Apparently using copyrighted training data is okay in EU: Directive (EU) 2019/790 … on copyright and related rights Article 4 [1] [1] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32019L0790&rid=1#d1e1075-92-1 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...

ectopod 4y ago
That exception only applies when the license doesn't explicitly reserve the right. Open source licenses could be updated to prohibit use as training data, or at least to clarify the position.