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For the VW ID.4: When equipped with a level 1 120-volt outlet, it takes approximately 50 hours of charging time to go from 0 to 100% charge. A level 2 240-volt

For the VW ID.4: When equipped with a level 1 120-volt outlet, it takes approximately 50 hours of charging time to go from 0 to 100% charge. A level 2 240-volt outlet takes an estimated 7.5 hours while the DC fast charging battery charges from 0 to 80% in just 38 minutes. You have to be lucky to find a fast charger for this vehicle, and even if you find one, charging is not cheap, and you permanently damage your battery by charging the battery this quickly. Visiting family with a road trip across Germany is still a hassle with these things and you permanently damage the expensive battery by fast charging

awillen 4y ago
Why pick the VW ID.4 instead of a Tesla Model 3, which is a much more common electric car to own? Fast chargers for it are much more common and charge 0-80% in about 20 minutes.
- orangepurple 4y ago
  We can't all afford Teslas in Europe
  - awillen 4y ago
    Sure, but we're talking about general adoption of EVs here, so it's more appropriate to use the much more highly adopted example than one that's relatively uncommon.
    - orangepurple 4y ago
      The VWs will be mass adopted in Europe when production ramps up and protectionist policies which punish Tesla will be implemented when VW is threatened. It's business as usual in Europe. That's why I use VW as an example. It's what Europeans will drive when they go hard on electric. When it comes to cars VW is "Europe, Inc." and resistance is futile. I jest. Many European megacorporations also offer electric cars as a job perk because personal car ownership is heavily taxed in many countries. The megacorps will choose home market manufacturers run by their friends preferentially.
outworlder 4y ago
> and you permanently damage your battery by charging the battery this quickly. This issue is improving with every new EV generation. And it's not even always true. On my Leaf, with a passively cooled battery, I need to be careful with temperatures. High temps will cause damage. I wouldn't quick charge every day. An occasional road trip is fine. Newest EVs? Even a 250KW charger won't make a lick of a difference for a battery that can accept 4x that amount of power. By the time EVs are widespread I don't expect to see many ID.4 in the streets.

awillen 4y ago

Why pick the VW ID.4 instead of a Tesla Model 3, which is a much more common electric car to own? Fast chargers for it are much more common and charge 0-80% in about 20 minutes.

orangepurple 4y ago
We can't all afford Teslas in Europe
- awillen 4y ago
  Sure, but we're talking about general adoption of EVs here, so it's more appropriate to use the much more highly adopted example than one that's relatively uncommon.
  - orangepurple 4y ago
    The VWs will be mass adopted in Europe when production ramps up and protectionist policies which punish Tesla will be implemented when VW is threatened. It's business as usual in Europe. That's why I use VW as an example. It's what Europeans will drive when they go hard on electric. When it comes to cars VW is "Europe, Inc." and resistance is futile. I jest. Many European megacorporations also offer electric cars as a job perk because personal car ownership is heavily taxed in many countries. The megacorps will choose home market manufacturers run by their friends preferentially.

outworlder 4y ago

> and you permanently damage your battery by charging the battery this quickly. This issue is improving with every new EV generation. And it's not even always true. On my Leaf, with a passively cooled battery, I need to be careful with temperatures. High temps will cause damage. I wouldn't quick charge every day. An occasional road trip is fine. Newest EVs? Even a 250KW charger won't make a lick of a difference for a battery that can accept 4x that amount of power. By the time EVs are widespread I don't expect to see many ID.4 in the streets.