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Range reduction?

orangepurple 4y ago
For the VW ID.4: When equipped with a level 1 120-volt outlet, it takes approximately 50 hours of charging time to go from 0 to 100% charge. A level 2 240-volt outlet takes an estimated 7.5 hours while the DC fast charging battery charges from 0 to 80% in just 38 minutes. You have to be lucky to find a fast charger for this vehicle, and even if you find one, charging is not cheap, and you permanently damage your battery by charging the battery this quickly. Visiting family with a road trip across Germany is still a hassle with these things and you permanently damage the expensive battery by fast charging
- awillen 4y ago
  Why pick the VW ID.4 instead of a Tesla Model 3, which is a much more common electric car to own? Fast chargers for it are much more common and charge 0-80% in about 20 minutes.
  - orangepurple 4y ago
    We can't all afford Teslas in Europe
    - awillen 4y ago
      Sure, but we're talking about general adoption of EVs here, so it's more appropriate to use the much more highly adopted example than one that's relatively uncommon.
      - orangepurple 4y ago
        The VWs will be mass adopted in Europe when production ramps up and protectionist policies which punish Tesla will be implemented when VW is threatened. It's business as usual in Europe. That's why I use VW as an example. It's what Europeans will drive when they go hard on electric. When it comes to cars VW is "Europe, Inc." and resistance is futile. I jest. Many European megacorporations also offer electric cars as a job perk because personal car ownership is heavily taxed in many countries. The megacorps will choose home market manufacturers run by their friends preferentially.
- outworlder 4y ago
  > and you permanently damage your battery by charging the battery this quickly. This issue is improving with every new EV generation. And it's not even always true. On my Leaf, with a passively cooled battery, I need to be careful with temperatures. High temps will cause damage. I wouldn't quick charge every day. An occasional road trip is fine. Newest EVs? Even a 250KW charger won't make a lick of a difference for a battery that can accept 4x that amount of power. By the time EVs are widespread I don't expect to see many ID.4 in the streets.
surfmike 4y ago
Compared to ICE cars. A normal gas-powered car has a median 412 mile range. Source: https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-939-august-22-2016-all-electric-vehicle-ranges-can-exceed-those-some-gasoline https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-939-august-22-2016...
- orangepurple 4y ago
  If you plan on driving 1000 miles in a day (typical for family road trips) your effective daily range will be much less because of charging times. 38 minutes fast charging permanently damages the battery. If you go anywhere in Africa you're screwed too. It's all about optimizing for the appropriate use case. ICE cars are the most versatile, period. I can get gasoline for my car delivered to remote African villages in Coca Cola bottles cheaply.
  - nemothekid 4y ago
    It's hard for me to take your counterpoints seriously. Sure, an ICE might work for you, but I can't imagine most people are taking 1000+ mile roadtrips with any sort of frequency that would affect their decision making of their primary vehicle. San Francsico to Los Angeles is 400 miles; any longer than that I would image most people would just fly; much less an 1000 miles. And I'm not sure how often people consider "can I get gas delivered in this remote area" either. Sure there will be always a market for ICE vehicles, but that doesn't mean everyone should buy M1 Abrams because they might need something for a trip to Afghanistan.
    - orangepurple 4y ago
      That's fine then. Buy an electric car today! So much of the world is ready for them. But some of us prefer the versatility of ICE because we're crazy and do crazy things and go crazy places.
      - sliken 4y ago
        Sure. For the vast majority of daily use EVs are fine. There are corner cases, but I can always just rent an ICE if that's a better fit.

Range reduction?

For the VW ID.4: When equipped with a level 1 120-volt outlet, it takes approximately 50 hours of charging time to go from 0 to 100% charge. A level 2 240-volt outlet takes an estimated 7.5 hours while the DC fast charging battery charges from 0 to 80% in just 38 minutes. You have to be lucky to find a fast charger for this vehicle, and even if you find one, charging is not cheap, and you permanently damage your battery by charging the battery this quickly. Visiting family with a road trip across Germany is still a hassle with these things and you permanently damage the expensive battery by fast charging

awillen 4y ago
Why pick the VW ID.4 instead of a Tesla Model 3, which is a much more common electric car to own? Fast chargers for it are much more common and charge 0-80% in about 20 minutes.
- orangepurple 4y ago
  We can't all afford Teslas in Europe
  - awillen 4y ago
    Sure, but we're talking about general adoption of EVs here, so it's more appropriate to use the much more highly adopted example than one that's relatively uncommon.
    - orangepurple 4y ago
      The VWs will be mass adopted in Europe when production ramps up and protectionist policies which punish Tesla will be implemented when VW is threatened. It's business as usual in Europe. That's why I use VW as an example. It's what Europeans will drive when they go hard on electric. When it comes to cars VW is "Europe, Inc." and resistance is futile. I jest. Many European megacorporations also offer electric cars as a job perk because personal car ownership is heavily taxed in many countries. The megacorps will choose home market manufacturers run by their friends preferentially.
outworlder 4y ago
> and you permanently damage your battery by charging the battery this quickly. This issue is improving with every new EV generation. And it's not even always true. On my Leaf, with a passively cooled battery, I need to be careful with temperatures. High temps will cause damage. I wouldn't quick charge every day. An occasional road trip is fine. Newest EVs? Even a 250KW charger won't make a lick of a difference for a battery that can accept 4x that amount of power. By the time EVs are widespread I don't expect to see many ID.4 in the streets.

surfmike 4y ago

Compared to ICE cars. A normal gas-powered car has a median 412 mile range. Source: https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-939-august-22-2016-all-electric-vehicle-ranges-can-exceed-those-some-gasoline https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-939-august-22-2016...

orangepurple 4y ago
If you plan on driving 1000 miles in a day (typical for family road trips) your effective daily range will be much less because of charging times. 38 minutes fast charging permanently damages the battery. If you go anywhere in Africa you're screwed too. It's all about optimizing for the appropriate use case. ICE cars are the most versatile, period. I can get gasoline for my car delivered to remote African villages in Coca Cola bottles cheaply.
- nemothekid 4y ago
  It's hard for me to take your counterpoints seriously. Sure, an ICE might work for you, but I can't imagine most people are taking 1000+ mile roadtrips with any sort of frequency that would affect their decision making of their primary vehicle. San Francsico to Los Angeles is 400 miles; any longer than that I would image most people would just fly; much less an 1000 miles. And I'm not sure how often people consider "can I get gas delivered in this remote area" either. Sure there will be always a market for ICE vehicles, but that doesn't mean everyone should buy M1 Abrams because they might need something for a trip to Afghanistan.
  - orangepurple 4y ago
    That's fine then. Buy an electric car today! So much of the world is ready for them. But some of us prefer the versatility of ICE because we're crazy and do crazy things and go crazy places.
    - sliken 4y ago
      Sure. For the vast majority of daily use EVs are fine. There are corner cases, but I can always just rent an ICE if that's a better fit.