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Hey America - stop spying on our our citizens or we will stop buying your tech. Seriously. We talk about this cloud stuff like it is rocket science. It is not

Hey America - stop spying on our our citizens or we will stop buying your tech. Seriously. We talk about this cloud stuff like it is rocket science. It is not. It is a box in a basement. We are capable of doing that ourselves. And no. It ain’t cool for NSA to sniff around some German governmental software, even though you are the good guys and on our side.

jaywalk 4y ago
> We are capable of doing that ourselves. Then do it.
- kreeben 4y ago
  You typed that silly reply on an operating system created by a European. You don't think we can host the shit out of that OS in Europe? I think you're just butt hurt because someone said something bad about the greatest country in the whole world that you know of.
  - AnonMO 4y ago
    If you're talking about linux an operating system based on unix from bell labs. then it just an operating system created by a European which is based on an operating system created by Americans. without one the other wouldn't exist.
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    - kreeben 4y ago
      Without beating around the bush, can you state your point please?
      - AnonMO 4y ago
        My point is at the end of the post. also why do you keep deleting your comments? i had such a good response to your periodic table nonsense lol.
        kreeben 4y ago
        Here is my periodic system nonsense again: a European discovered silicon. America's not all that. Also, you seem to have a chicken and egg problem with your reasoning.
        AnonMO 4y ago
        That wasn't your comment you said the nordic countries discovered more periodic elements the US. My response was going to be since your grouping the nordic countries the the uk and us would also have to be group because of historic relation between the uk and us specifically the us is some degree was a colony of the uk. With that being said the two combined have discovered 45 elements almost split evenly between the two in comparison to the nordics 25. Also its not a chicken and egg problem unix came to fruition without linux, but linux would never have existed without unix especially if Linus Torvalds had never came in contact with unix at university. Linus Torvalds thesis goes in detail about relation between the two.
    - dang 4y ago
      Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, let alone dumb nationalistic flamewars. We may not be able to have a reliably good discussion forum in this community but we can at least do better than that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - jaywalk 4y ago
    I typed my reply on an OS created by Americans, but that's entirely irrelevant. It's not about just installing Linux on a box, plugging in an Ethernet cable and calling it a day. We're talking about cloud providers here. You need to create something on the scale of AWS and Azure if you want to be taken seriously. Hetzner and OVH aren't going to cut it.
    - kreeben 4y ago
      >> It's not about just installing Linux on a box, plugging in an Ethernet cable and calling it a day. It's not? Because that's what most Europeans think. >> We're talking about cloud providers here. Ooooooooooooooooooh weeeeeeeeeeeh, now that's fancy. Maybe if we could get an American over here to help us out, it could work? Are you available? Because we need answers to questions that you can't just google. We need someone who's been there, done that and who has money beyond what any European could ever even imagine. We need a Texan. Are you a Texan? Or an absolute asshole? Both of those combined seems to fit the profile of a person that could make a change over here. 'Merica, F yeah!
      - dang 4y ago
        Breaking the site guidelines like this will get you banned here, regardless of which country you have a problem with. No more of this, please. See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32393773 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32393773.
  - dang 4y ago
    Whoa - you've posted tons of flamewar comments in this thread - that's seriously not cool, regardless of how right you are or feel you are, or how wrong other people are or you feel they are. It looks like you've been breaking the site guidelines in other contexts too. Can you please review them and stick to the intended spirit here? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 4y ago
  Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. Especially not tedious and dumb nationalistic flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
eli 4y ago
Isn't it easier for the NSA to spy on foreign companies than US companies? There are restrictions on how they can operate on US soil.
- qeternity 4y ago
  Yes. I've never understood this whole "don't host in the US or the NSA will spy on you"...uh, that might be true, but at least on paper there are protections. An EU subsidiary of a US company is fully legal fair game for every 3 letter agency.
  - eli 4y ago
    As is a fully independent EU alternative. I support reigning in the NSA, GDPR seems like a weird way to do it. I don't follow the logic.
    - throwaway4good 4y ago
      The US Cloud act requires companies to open their platform for the intelligence agencies. We are not talking about hacking, they are required by law to provide access.
      - qeternity 4y ago
        …via the judicial system (warrant or subpoena) and still protected by US law. An EU company can just be hacked legally.
AnonMO 4y ago
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- mattashii 4y ago
  But you do not need to mention the GDPR to comply with the GDPR.
  - AnonMO 4y ago
    They also use google analytics which i remember reading a couple weeks ago has ongoing issues with the eu.
- throwaway4good 4y ago
  I am all for a free and open internet. If you want to connect to a computer in Russia or United States, that is ok, think about what happens to your data, if you care about that, or don't. But here we are talking about whether the German government should use hosting centers, for their governmental software, they know are accesible to US intelligence services. The answer to that is: Of course not.
  - AnonMO 4y ago
    you are correct a foreign government should not rely on another foreign government for government related technologies, but the reason this even went to court is because one company couldn't compete with another for contracts so they played the legal card if i understood the summary correctly. This shows there's a lack of technological capability/capacity within the EU asif its actual rocket science to host computed services. Aslo do you think about your data? because this is a US service and if remember correctly its hosted on M5 both US services. so you using it shows you aren't thinking about your data because this site is a data trove upvotes, comments, posts, etc. The US government could easily subpoena for all your data and cookies related to this site and build a profile.
dang 4y ago
Please don't start nationalistic flamewars on HN. This one was particularly hellish and particularly dumb. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- testaccountfor 4y ago
  Critcism of US spying is not "starting a flame war". Please refrain from interfering with healthy discussion.
  - dang 4y ago
    Words cannot express how little we care what you or anyone else has to say about "US spying" as long as you/they do it within the site guidelines and the intended spirit of the site. From a moderation point of view, the issue is not "US spying", it's "violation of the site rules" - which was happening all over this thread. This was the extreme opposite of "healthy discussion". Btw, your account has been adding to this flamewar in just the way that we don't want here. I'm not going to ban you right now, but only because it doesn't feel sporting to ban an account that I only noticed when you replied to me. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules, though, we'd appreciate it.
    - testaccountfor 4y ago
      Thanks for proving my point. "Don't criticise US spying, and I'll threaten you with ban if you do." Not a single rule was violated in the post above. Looks like hackernews needs more responsible moderators.
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- moretestaccoun 4y ago
  Why is this thread flagged? It looks like one mod is abusing her power.

jaywalk 4y ago

> We are capable of doing that ourselves. Then do it.

kreeben 4y ago
You typed that silly reply on an operating system created by a European. You don't think we can host the shit out of that OS in Europe? I think you're just butt hurt because someone said something bad about the greatest country in the whole world that you know of.
- AnonMO 4y ago
  If you're talking about linux an operating system based on unix from bell labs. then it just an operating system created by a European which is based on an operating system created by Americans. without one the other wouldn't exist.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - kreeben 4y ago
    Without beating around the bush, can you state your point please?
    - AnonMO 4y ago
      My point is at the end of the post. also why do you keep deleting your comments? i had such a good response to your periodic table nonsense lol.
      - kreeben 4y ago
        Here is my periodic system nonsense again: a European discovered silicon. America's not all that. Also, you seem to have a chicken and egg problem with your reasoning.
        AnonMO 4y ago
        That wasn't your comment you said the nordic countries discovered more periodic elements the US. My response was going to be since your grouping the nordic countries the the uk and us would also have to be group because of historic relation between the uk and us specifically the us is some degree was a colony of the uk. With that being said the two combined have discovered 45 elements almost split evenly between the two in comparison to the nordics 25. Also its not a chicken and egg problem unix came to fruition without linux, but linux would never have existed without unix especially if Linus Torvalds had never came in contact with unix at university. Linus Torvalds thesis goes in detail about relation between the two.
  - dang 4y ago
    Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, let alone dumb nationalistic flamewars. We may not be able to have a reliably good discussion forum in this community but we can at least do better than that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- jaywalk 4y ago
  I typed my reply on an OS created by Americans, but that's entirely irrelevant. It's not about just installing Linux on a box, plugging in an Ethernet cable and calling it a day. We're talking about cloud providers here. You need to create something on the scale of AWS and Azure if you want to be taken seriously. Hetzner and OVH aren't going to cut it.
  - kreeben 4y ago
    >> It's not about just installing Linux on a box, plugging in an Ethernet cable and calling it a day. It's not? Because that's what most Europeans think. >> We're talking about cloud providers here. Ooooooooooooooooooh weeeeeeeeeeeh, now that's fancy. Maybe if we could get an American over here to help us out, it could work? Are you available? Because we need answers to questions that you can't just google. We need someone who's been there, done that and who has money beyond what any European could ever even imagine. We need a Texan. Are you a Texan? Or an absolute asshole? Both of those combined seems to fit the profile of a person that could make a change over here. 'Merica, F yeah!
    - dang 4y ago
      Breaking the site guidelines like this will get you banned here, regardless of which country you have a problem with. No more of this, please. See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32393773 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32393773.
- dang 4y ago
  Whoa - you've posted tons of flamewar comments in this thread - that's seriously not cool, regardless of how right you are or feel you are, or how wrong other people are or you feel they are. It looks like you've been breaking the site guidelines in other contexts too. Can you please review them and stick to the intended spirit here? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 4y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. Especially not tedious and dumb nationalistic flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

eli 4y ago

Isn't it easier for the NSA to spy on foreign companies than US companies? There are restrictions on how they can operate on US soil.

qeternity 4y ago
Yes. I've never understood this whole "don't host in the US or the NSA will spy on you"...uh, that might be true, but at least on paper there are protections. An EU subsidiary of a US company is fully legal fair game for every 3 letter agency.
- eli 4y ago
  As is a fully independent EU alternative. I support reigning in the NSA, GDPR seems like a weird way to do it. I don't follow the logic.
  - throwaway4good 4y ago
    The US Cloud act requires companies to open their platform for the intelligence agencies. We are not talking about hacking, they are required by law to provide access.
    - qeternity 4y ago
      …via the judicial system (warrant or subpoena) and still protected by US law. An EU company can just be hacked legally.

AnonMO 4y ago

[flagged]

mattashii 4y ago
But you do not need to mention the GDPR to comply with the GDPR.
- AnonMO 4y ago
  They also use google analytics which i remember reading a couple weeks ago has ongoing issues with the eu.
throwaway4good 4y ago
I am all for a free and open internet. If you want to connect to a computer in Russia or United States, that is ok, think about what happens to your data, if you care about that, or don't. But here we are talking about whether the German government should use hosting centers, for their governmental software, they know are accesible to US intelligence services. The answer to that is: Of course not.
- AnonMO 4y ago
  you are correct a foreign government should not rely on another foreign government for government related technologies, but the reason this even went to court is because one company couldn't compete with another for contracts so they played the legal card if i understood the summary correctly. This shows there's a lack of technological capability/capacity within the EU asif its actual rocket science to host computed services. Aslo do you think about your data? because this is a US service and if remember correctly its hosted on M5 both US services. so you using it shows you aren't thinking about your data because this site is a data trove upvotes, comments, posts, etc. The US government could easily subpoena for all your data and cookies related to this site and build a profile.

dang 4y ago

Please don't start nationalistic flamewars on HN. This one was particularly hellish and particularly dumb. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

testaccountfor 4y ago
Critcism of US spying is not "starting a flame war". Please refrain from interfering with healthy discussion.
- dang 4y ago
  Words cannot express how little we care what you or anyone else has to say about "US spying" as long as you/they do it within the site guidelines and the intended spirit of the site. From a moderation point of view, the issue is not "US spying", it's "violation of the site rules" - which was happening all over this thread. This was the extreme opposite of "healthy discussion". Btw, your account has been adding to this flamewar in just the way that we don't want here. I'm not going to ban you right now, but only because it doesn't feel sporting to ban an account that I only noticed when you replied to me. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules, though, we'd appreciate it.
  - testaccountfor 4y ago
    Thanks for proving my point. "Don't criticise US spying, and I'll threaten you with ban if you do." Not a single rule was violated in the post above. Looks like hackernews needs more responsible moderators.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
moretestaccoun 4y ago
Why is this thread flagged? It looks like one mod is abusing her power.