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Tesla Falsely Advertises Autopilot, Full Self-Driving Tech: California DMV

36 points by matrix 4y ago

seydor 4y ago
But we knew that already
- Rackedup 4y ago
  But Tesla didn't see the consequences, yet.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  We also knew that Elizabeth Holmes was bullshitting, but that didn't prevent other people from being taken.
  - seydor 4y ago
    Nobody knew, there were very few voices asking questions about theranos (like dr. Ioannidis) but their shenanigans were unknown until Carreyou publicized them
  - whiteboardr 4y ago
    People weren’t killed though relying on a catastrophically named “feature”. I still can’t get my head around that anyone let them call it “Autopilot” from the get go - especially in a country that has manufacturers of microwave ovens put a warning on their product that its not suitable for drying their pet’s fur.
    - whiteboardr 4y ago
      Plus it was crystal clear to anyone remotely aware of where assisted driving was and is at that time that it’s simply bogus and outright dumb and dangerous calling it “Autopilot”. Such a sad case of wishful thinking for the domestic economy by regulators blinded by a “shiny” corporation.
    - lern_too_spel 4y ago
      People weren't killed by Theranos either. In both cases, it was an open secret in Silicon Valley that the CEOs were selling a bridge. The media coverage took a long time to catch on because everybody loves a superhero story. Tearing down people who aren't famous doesn't get eyeballs. (What ever happened to Carlos "Alex Piper" Watson?) You'll only get a story that can be milked for weeks after they get big enough.
      - muttled 4y ago
        Didn't some of the Theranos customers get inaccurate blood work though before the house of cards fell? I could see that leading to complications.
superchroma 4y ago
I am honestly surprised as much time passed as it did before we got to this point. Tesla could have sold preorders for a future product called autopilot and gave away the current feature-set renamed as "smart cruise control" for free with every purchase and completely dodged this bullet. The current product would be no less remarkable for it either. I worry that what may kill Elon's ventures in the end will be the collective weight of many small moments of impatience or hubris compounding over time, which is sad because the broad strokes have been fairly well played so far.
- nullhack 4y ago
  Perhaps "Tesla Autopilot" can be the first Marketing Lie to vanish from the list: "Almond Milk", "Veggie Patties", "RNA Vaccine"... And the plethora of USA Liar Laws such as the "Patriot Act", "Inflation Reduction" bill... Until then, we live in a country owned by Marketers and Lobbyists, and Elon Musk can call his AI cars Self-Driving* as long as he likes
  - wmeredith 4y ago
    If you think the language around "Almond Milk" needs to vanish, you may be the victim of recent big dairy marketing efforts, yourself. Plant based milks have been a thing in cultures around the globe for thousands of years: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/nut-milks-are-milk-says-almost-every-culture-across-globe-180970008/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/nut-milks-are-milk-sa...
  - DowsingSpoon 4y ago
    >Perhaps "Tesla Autopilot" can be the first Marketing Lie to vanish from the list: "Almond Milk", "Veggie Patties", "RNA Vaccine"... I don't care about Autopilot and instead want to comment on some of the rest of your list. What are you going on about?? Veggie Patty is not a marketing lie in the slightest. It's a patty. It's made of plants. That's about as straight-forward as possible. The mRNA vaccines do in fact make use of mRNA; no lie there. Almond milk is a fine name. It's milk from an almond in the dictionary definition of the word. Really struggling to understand what you're getting at here...

36 points by matrix 4y ago

seydor 4y ago

But we knew that already

Rackedup 4y ago
But Tesla didn't see the consequences, yet.
lern_too_spel 4y ago
We also knew that Elizabeth Holmes was bullshitting, but that didn't prevent other people from being taken.
- seydor 4y ago
  Nobody knew, there were very few voices asking questions about theranos (like dr. Ioannidis) but their shenanigans were unknown until Carreyou publicized them
- whiteboardr 4y ago
  People weren’t killed though relying on a catastrophically named “feature”. I still can’t get my head around that anyone let them call it “Autopilot” from the get go - especially in a country that has manufacturers of microwave ovens put a warning on their product that its not suitable for drying their pet’s fur.
  - whiteboardr 4y ago
    Plus it was crystal clear to anyone remotely aware of where assisted driving was and is at that time that it’s simply bogus and outright dumb and dangerous calling it “Autopilot”. Such a sad case of wishful thinking for the domestic economy by regulators blinded by a “shiny” corporation.
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    People weren't killed by Theranos either. In both cases, it was an open secret in Silicon Valley that the CEOs were selling a bridge. The media coverage took a long time to catch on because everybody loves a superhero story. Tearing down people who aren't famous doesn't get eyeballs. (What ever happened to Carlos "Alex Piper" Watson?) You'll only get a story that can be milked for weeks after they get big enough.
    - muttled 4y ago
      Didn't some of the Theranos customers get inaccurate blood work though before the house of cards fell? I could see that leading to complications.

superchroma 4y ago

I am honestly surprised as much time passed as it did before we got to this point. Tesla could have sold preorders for a future product called autopilot and gave away the current feature-set renamed as "smart cruise control" for free with every purchase and completely dodged this bullet. The current product would be no less remarkable for it either. I worry that what may kill Elon's ventures in the end will be the collective weight of many small moments of impatience or hubris compounding over time, which is sad because the broad strokes have been fairly well played so far.

nullhack 4y ago
Perhaps "Tesla Autopilot" can be the first Marketing Lie to vanish from the list: "Almond Milk", "Veggie Patties", "RNA Vaccine"... And the plethora of USA Liar Laws such as the "Patriot Act", "Inflation Reduction" bill... Until then, we live in a country owned by Marketers and Lobbyists, and Elon Musk can call his AI cars Self-Driving* as long as he likes
- wmeredith 4y ago
  If you think the language around "Almond Milk" needs to vanish, you may be the victim of recent big dairy marketing efforts, yourself. Plant based milks have been a thing in cultures around the globe for thousands of years: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/nut-milks-are-milk-says-almost-every-culture-across-globe-180970008/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/nut-milks-are-milk-sa...
- DowsingSpoon 4y ago
  >Perhaps "Tesla Autopilot" can be the first Marketing Lie to vanish from the list: "Almond Milk", "Veggie Patties", "RNA Vaccine"... I don't care about Autopilot and instead want to comment on some of the rest of your list. What are you going on about?? Veggie Patty is not a marketing lie in the slightest. It's a patty. It's made of plants. That's about as straight-forward as possible. The mRNA vaccines do in fact make use of mRNA; no lie there. Almond milk is a fine name. It's milk from an almond in the dictionary definition of the word. Really struggling to understand what you're getting at here...