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Given Amazon's reliance on consumer data and metrics, as well as their past behavior with alexa and echo I find this viewpoint to be almost stubbornly naïve.

tra3 4y ago
Agreed. Somewhat mirroring the "Nothing to hide" argument [0] -- just because I'm currently not doing anything illegal, I'm ok with invasion of privacy. Amazon et al, need data. Even though I can't think off the top of my head, how this data can be monetized, does not mean that someone with a correct incentive has not come up with a way to take advantage and abuse access to that data. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument
zamalek 4y ago
There are going to be high resolution cameras on them in no time, and people are going to love it.
googlryas 4y ago
Would you like to make some specific timebounded claims as to what you believe Amazon will do with this acquisition? So we can come back later, and tell whether OP is naive and you are a realist, or whether OP is a realist and you are overly paranoid.
- sangnoir 4y ago
  Within the next 15 years, Amazon will provide data gathered from Roomba LIDAR and/or Sidewalk[1] to police (with or without a warrant) which will tell them how many people are in a private home, and when. 1. Or whatever their blanket WiFi system that piggybacks on your bandwidth is called
  - OrderlyTiamat 4y ago
    same, but I'm upping to within 5 years. I do not think given the history with ring that it'll take very long. Anyone wanna bet 3 years? Also reasonable I think, but I'm staying at 5.
  - googlryas 4y ago
    Well, I appreciate you playing, but 15 years is way too long of a time frame. A majority of the bets on longbets.org aren't even for 15 years.
    - sangnoir 4y ago
      Roomba doesn't have a Lidar vacuum,AFAIK, so I'm giving them 2-3 years to close the deal and requisite product development. I know Amazon already has their heart in the wrong place (thanks to Ring LEO posture), buy it's going to take time for police departments to cotton-on to what is possible (likely from Amazon slides). The surveillance will be technically possible in 5 years, but adjusting human factors, I think the first such news stories may break in about 7 years, albeit poorly sourced. In 15 years, it will be common knowledge. That said, you may take up sibling in their offer, as their are confident it's going to happen in 5 years.

tra3 4y ago

Agreed. Somewhat mirroring the "Nothing to hide" argument [0] -- just because I'm currently not doing anything illegal, I'm ok with invasion of privacy. Amazon et al, need data. Even though I can't think off the top of my head, how this data can be monetized, does not mean that someone with a correct incentive has not come up with a way to take advantage and abuse access to that data. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

zamalek 4y ago

There are going to be high resolution cameras on them in no time, and people are going to love it.

googlryas 4y ago

Would you like to make some specific timebounded claims as to what you believe Amazon will do with this acquisition? So we can come back later, and tell whether OP is naive and you are a realist, or whether OP is a realist and you are overly paranoid.

sangnoir 4y ago
Within the next 15 years, Amazon will provide data gathered from Roomba LIDAR and/or Sidewalk[1] to police (with or without a warrant) which will tell them how many people are in a private home, and when. 1. Or whatever their blanket WiFi system that piggybacks on your bandwidth is called
- OrderlyTiamat 4y ago
  same, but I'm upping to within 5 years. I do not think given the history with ring that it'll take very long. Anyone wanna bet 3 years? Also reasonable I think, but I'm staying at 5.
- googlryas 4y ago
  Well, I appreciate you playing, but 15 years is way too long of a time frame. A majority of the bets on longbets.org aren't even for 15 years.
  - sangnoir 4y ago
    Roomba doesn't have a Lidar vacuum,AFAIK, so I'm giving them 2-3 years to close the deal and requisite product development. I know Amazon already has their heart in the wrong place (thanks to Ring LEO posture), buy it's going to take time for police departments to cotton-on to what is possible (likely from Amazon slides). The surveillance will be technically possible in 5 years, but adjusting human factors, I think the first such news stories may break in about 7 years, albeit poorly sourced. In 15 years, it will be common knowledge. That said, you may take up sibling in their offer, as their are confident it's going to happen in 5 years.