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Yeah, but why? Is the end result better than using any old hifi speaker set with an amp? Will there be stereo?

zihotki 4y ago
For good and easy multiroom sound obviously. It's a killer feature of Sonos. And in this particular case it's a ceiling speaker. Stereo is not a problem here since a single Symfonisk is a mono speaker and you need a second one to get stereo. That won't change after the mod.
mikeyouse 4y ago
The Sonos Amp + two built-in speakers with equivalent functionality is like $1,200. This lets you use a $100 speaker as that amp (or two of these setups for stereo sound) and then you can use much more reasonably priced built-ins that are still Sonos compatible. It's only useful if you're in the Sonos ecosystem, but it's pretty useful if that's the case.
- ryanianian 4y ago
  > This lets you use a $100 speaker as that amp Not all amps are equal. The Sonos Amp can competently drive 4 beefy in-wall/ceiling speakers. The Sonos Amp isn't just the guts of this product marked up 5x. Either way, it's silly that Sonos doesn't have a simple un-amplified receiver for similar setups. Perhaps they are afraid consumers would get confused about non-amplified products given all their other products are amplified.
  - tpmx 4y ago
    Either way, it's silly that Sonos doesn't have a simple un-amplified receiver for similar setups. They do have that, the Sonos Port, but it's extremely overpriced at $449. They very gracefully do allow you to get a full two channels of audio (stereo) though.
sethhochberg 4y ago
The benefit of doing this is the Sonos compatibility. If you like the ecosystem but don't like the packaged speakers or the cost of their standalone amplifiers, this is a cheaper path to using your own speakers in the Sonos world.
- zihotki 4y ago
  I'm not sure that it will be fully compatible. Sonos has a feature to tune/calibrate your speaker setup for your environment. That's to reduce room gain and in general to get a better flatter response for your environment. And I'm not sure that after switching the amplifier into bridge mode that functionality will work correctly
  - happyopossum 4y ago
    There are a bunch of mod articles and YouTube videos about doing mods with the Gen1 and bi-amp speakers - or some even turning it into a subwoofer amp - and trueplay apparently still worked. That said, removing the bi-amp capability may technically break trueplay, but I don’t see how. If it worked in single channel mode as a sub, it should work bridged like this. [edit] just looked at his gen1 guide that does the same mono-bridging, and it claims trueplay still works. Which makes sense - trueplay is a feedback loop. With the speaker playing specific frequencies at specific volumes, and your phone listens to it and adjusts the DSP to make those frequency/volume pairs match what it expects.
type0 4y ago
Seems to be most important that this amp is small and sound okayish. Still better spend your money on old serviced piece of kit that will likely survive several decades. I haven't had any new amplifiers that sounded as good as my old 70s Sony TA over-engineered amp.
phlo 4y ago
I used the same mod to turn a few older, passive hi-fi speakers into Sonos-enabled wireless speakers. They sound (and look) a lot better than the Symfonisk, and putting the DAC and amp right into the speaker enclosure is more convenient than an external amp and wiring. If you use them to bi-amp speakers with two drivers, the TruePlay calibration works great.
emmelaich 4y ago
Yeah fun hack? But would have to be a lot better than the cheaper Google nest for me to care. Or Chromecast audio to hifi.

For good and easy multiroom sound obviously. It's a killer feature of Sonos. And in this particular case it's a ceiling speaker. Stereo is not a problem here since a single Symfonisk is a mono speaker and you need a second one to get stereo. That won't change after the mod.

mikeyouse 4y ago

The Sonos Amp + two built-in speakers with equivalent functionality is like $1,200. This lets you use a $100 speaker as that amp (or two of these setups for stereo sound) and then you can use much more reasonably priced built-ins that are still Sonos compatible. It's only useful if you're in the Sonos ecosystem, but it's pretty useful if that's the case.

ryanianian 4y ago
> This lets you use a $100 speaker as that amp Not all amps are equal. The Sonos Amp can competently drive 4 beefy in-wall/ceiling speakers. The Sonos Amp isn't just the guts of this product marked up 5x. Either way, it's silly that Sonos doesn't have a simple un-amplified receiver for similar setups. Perhaps they are afraid consumers would get confused about non-amplified products given all their other products are amplified.
- tpmx 4y ago
  Either way, it's silly that Sonos doesn't have a simple un-amplified receiver for similar setups. They do have that, the Sonos Port, but it's extremely overpriced at $449. They very gracefully do allow you to get a full two channels of audio (stereo) though.

sethhochberg 4y ago

The benefit of doing this is the Sonos compatibility. If you like the ecosystem but don't like the packaged speakers or the cost of their standalone amplifiers, this is a cheaper path to using your own speakers in the Sonos world.

zihotki 4y ago
I'm not sure that it will be fully compatible. Sonos has a feature to tune/calibrate your speaker setup for your environment. That's to reduce room gain and in general to get a better flatter response for your environment. And I'm not sure that after switching the amplifier into bridge mode that functionality will work correctly
- happyopossum 4y ago
  There are a bunch of mod articles and YouTube videos about doing mods with the Gen1 and bi-amp speakers - or some even turning it into a subwoofer amp - and trueplay apparently still worked. That said, removing the bi-amp capability may technically break trueplay, but I don’t see how. If it worked in single channel mode as a sub, it should work bridged like this. [edit] just looked at his gen1 guide that does the same mono-bridging, and it claims trueplay still works. Which makes sense - trueplay is a feedback loop. With the speaker playing specific frequencies at specific volumes, and your phone listens to it and adjusts the DSP to make those frequency/volume pairs match what it expects.

type0 4y ago

Seems to be most important that this amp is small and sound okayish. Still better spend your money on old serviced piece of kit that will likely survive several decades. I haven't had any new amplifiers that sounded as good as my old 70s Sony TA over-engineered amp.

phlo 4y ago

I used the same mod to turn a few older, passive hi-fi speakers into Sonos-enabled wireless speakers. They sound (and look) a lot better than the Symfonisk, and putting the DAC and amp right into the speaker enclosure is more convenient than an external amp and wiring. If you use them to bi-amp speakers with two drivers, the TruePlay calibration works great.

emmelaich 4y ago

Yeah fun hack? But would have to be a lot better than the cheaper Google nest for me to care. Or Chromecast audio to hifi.