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Interesting, I did not know about the Driver Drowsiness and Attention Warning (DDAW) thing. Some googling yields this link (PDF warning): https://circabc.europ

by mlsu 4y ago

Interesting, I did not know about the Driver Drowsiness and Attention Warning (DDAW) thing. Some googling yields this link (PDF warning): https://circabc.europa.eu/sd/a/7f9912b5-e180-43ab-b9da-82ddfb1cde8a/20200701%20MVWG%20DDAW%20draft%20technical%20req.pdf https://circabc.europa.eu/sd/a/7f9912b5-e180-43ab-b9da-82ddf... DDAW ‘means a system that assesses the driver’s alertness through vehicle systems analysis and warns the driver if needed’ So the primary purpose of the system is to alert the driver when they are drowsy. Data not accessible, or available to 3rd party. Only held long enough for assessing drowsiness and during activation/deactivation cycle They are mandating that data is only held for as long as it takes to activate the alarm (?). But I can see such data being a very very juicy target for insurers and police: wouldn't it be quite useful to pin the cause of an expensive accident on driver drowsiness? It's not likely we will have such protections in the US. I really don't like this. Why is it useful if your car beeps at you when you doze off? You're either going to recognize that you're falling asleep, and pull off the road to rest, or recognize that you're falling asleep and decide to power through. If you're the type to pull over, you're not really going to be helped by a machine telling you you're tired; if not, you're probably going to drive anyway, because you have to be somewhere. I guess under the best possible case, your car makes it annoying for you to drive drowsy, which might deter that behavior a bit. But in the worst case, every car accident will be financially catastrophic for all parties, because the insurance company will deny any claim -- arguing that you were impaired. You'll have little recourse, because you were probably "very alert" instead of "extremely alert" according to this system. Ugh.

svara 4y ago
> You're either going to recognize that you're falling asleep, and pull off the road to rest, or recognize that you're falling asleep and decide to power through You can totally start falling asleep without noticing, because the drowsiness messes with your critical thinking. The beeping will startle you and make you snap out of it for a bit.
tzs 4y ago
> I really don't like this. Why is it useful if your car beeps at you when you doze off? You're either going to recognize that you're falling asleep, and pull off the road to rest, or recognize that you're falling asleep and decide to power through. I fell asleep once while driving without recognizing that I was falling asleep. I only know I fell asleep while driving because that is the only plausible explanation for waking up while driving.
zeruch 4y ago
" It's not likely we will have such protections in the US." It is generally safe in the US to assume consumer protections don't exist until an incident forces an industry change, or a regulatory event materializes. The US generally does not care about consumers at all, except in terms of keeping or upping the rate of consumption.
- zeruch 4y ago
  I like how this was down-voted, even when the evidence is staggeringly in its favor. We consistently wait for hazard to materialize before we implement post-event safeguards, instead of putting up health parameters and expect commercial entities to meet them consistently. We laugh at the regulatory frameworks of places like Europe and Japan, yet they consistently get fewer food recalls, or stories about pink-goo as a food source, let alone the disparity in what they will allow in their food supply. We nearly had a civil uprising about mandating seat belts. Elsewhere? Some griping and little else. Etc.
  - throwaway09223 4y ago
    It was probably downvoted because it isn't true. In particular, California pushes a lot of proactive vehicle safety measures. There are many states which wouldn't require these measures, but California is a big enough market that many manufactures simply implement them nationally. "stories about pink-goo as a food source" This is a non-story. The EU didn't ban pink goo (aka LFTB), they simply require that citric acid is used for sterilization rather than ammonia gas. Furthermore - there's nothing at all wrong with eating all parts of an animal, as long as it's safe. What country do you know of that doesn't eat tripe?
    - zeruch 4y ago
      It is fairly true (yeah, it's more complicated than a simple flat comparison, but in general, yes the EU and elsewhere does a better job and takes a more proactive approach). Also, nice throwaway account. California is not the US (and frankly much of the US balks at California attempts to push things from gas mileage standards to any environmental quality standard to privacy, etc), and since the tail end of the Reagan years the US has largely given up its affirmative regulatory concerns to the EU. We're great at providing space for for-profit middlemen, but categorically mediocre or worse on preventative concerns. * https://www.safeopedia.com/2/4270/ehs/comparing-eu-health-safety-laws-across-the-pond https://www.safeopedia.com/2/4270/ehs/comparing-eu-health-sa... * https://www.theregreview.org/2013/01/01/01-oxholm-ppr-vogel/ https://www.theregreview.org/2013/01/01/01-oxholm-ppr-vogel/ * https://info.orrsafety.com/safety-hub/usa-vs-europe-biggest-difference-in-worker-safety https://info.orrsafety.com/safety-hub/usa-vs-europe-biggest-... * https://www.fooddocs.com/post/food-safety-standards https://www.fooddocs.com/post/food-safety-standards * https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2...

by mlsu 4y ago

svara 4y ago

> You're either going to recognize that you're falling asleep, and pull off the road to rest, or recognize that you're falling asleep and decide to power through You can totally start falling asleep without noticing, because the drowsiness messes with your critical thinking. The beeping will startle you and make you snap out of it for a bit.

tzs 4y ago

> I really don't like this. Why is it useful if your car beeps at you when you doze off? You're either going to recognize that you're falling asleep, and pull off the road to rest, or recognize that you're falling asleep and decide to power through. I fell asleep once while driving without recognizing that I was falling asleep. I only know I fell asleep while driving because that is the only plausible explanation for waking up while driving.

zeruch 4y ago

" It's not likely we will have such protections in the US." It is generally safe in the US to assume consumer protections don't exist until an incident forces an industry change, or a regulatory event materializes. The US generally does not care about consumers at all, except in terms of keeping or upping the rate of consumption.

zeruch 4y ago
I like how this was down-voted, even when the evidence is staggeringly in its favor. We consistently wait for hazard to materialize before we implement post-event safeguards, instead of putting up health parameters and expect commercial entities to meet them consistently. We laugh at the regulatory frameworks of places like Europe and Japan, yet they consistently get fewer food recalls, or stories about pink-goo as a food source, let alone the disparity in what they will allow in their food supply. We nearly had a civil uprising about mandating seat belts. Elsewhere? Some griping and little else. Etc.
- throwaway09223 4y ago
  It was probably downvoted because it isn't true. In particular, California pushes a lot of proactive vehicle safety measures. There are many states which wouldn't require these measures, but California is a big enough market that many manufactures simply implement them nationally. "stories about pink-goo as a food source" This is a non-story. The EU didn't ban pink goo (aka LFTB), they simply require that citric acid is used for sterilization rather than ammonia gas. Furthermore - there's nothing at all wrong with eating all parts of an animal, as long as it's safe. What country do you know of that doesn't eat tripe?
  - zeruch 4y ago
    It is fairly true (yeah, it's more complicated than a simple flat comparison, but in general, yes the EU and elsewhere does a better job and takes a more proactive approach). Also, nice throwaway account. California is not the US (and frankly much of the US balks at California attempts to push things from gas mileage standards to any environmental quality standard to privacy, etc), and since the tail end of the Reagan years the US has largely given up its affirmative regulatory concerns to the EU. We're great at providing space for for-profit middlemen, but categorically mediocre or worse on preventative concerns. * https://www.safeopedia.com/2/4270/ehs/comparing-eu-health-safety-laws-across-the-pond https://www.safeopedia.com/2/4270/ehs/comparing-eu-health-sa... * https://www.theregreview.org/2013/01/01/01-oxholm-ppr-vogel/ https://www.theregreview.org/2013/01/01/01-oxholm-ppr-vogel/ * https://info.orrsafety.com/safety-hub/usa-vs-europe-biggest-difference-in-worker-safety https://info.orrsafety.com/safety-hub/usa-vs-europe-biggest-... * https://www.fooddocs.com/post/food-safety-standards https://www.fooddocs.com/post/food-safety-standards * https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2...