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>even Reuters publishes picture There are - or were - a few nazis in Ukraine, sure. But in case of Russians all of them are nazis, because that's their state

by trasz 4y ago

>even Reuters publishes picture There are - or were - a few nazis in Ukraine, sure. But in case of Russians all of them are nazis, because that's their state ideology: to destroy a (clearly superior, if you look at the history, eg the achievements over the past two decades) Ukrainian nation. >If you use the word 'genocide' now, why didn't you use it when Ukrainian nationalists burned alive 42 pro-Russian Ukrainians Because the offenders turned out to be pro-Russian, and quite a few of the victims turned out to be Russian-sponsored operatives. Killing own people for propaganda purposes seems standard in Russia, see the Theatre crisis. And even if it hadn't turned out that way, there would be a fundamental difference between a random terrorist attack and a planned genocide.

gdy 4y ago
"(superior) Ukrainian nation" Speaking like a Nazi now, aren't you? Ukraine über alles, right?
- trasz 4y ago
  No, it's just that while USSR was a proper country with a diverse and often beautiful culture, the main achievement of post-USSR Russia was selling off things inherited from USSR. Can you quote any other major post-1990 Russian achievements? Of course I'm asking about those that actually exist, not vaporware like the Armata tank, or Su-57, or "Sotnik".
  - gdy 4y ago
    Of course I can - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32398991 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32398991 Now please quote any achievements of post-Soviet Ukraine.
    - trasz 4y ago
      >Now please quote any achievements of post-Soviet Ukraine. How about establishing a country its citizens care for? Ukrainian army is revered; compare this to Russians who consider (not without a point) their army to be a bunch of losers and criminals; nobody goes to army in Russia unless they got no other options (cf https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1499377671855292423 https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1499377671855292423 and other threads there). Same about the military industry; let me remind you Russia can’t manufacture tanks anymore - and not because of electronics, but metallurgy.
      - gdy 4y ago
        "How about establishing a country its citizens care for?" What does it even mean? Try googling the pre-war numbers of Ukrainians who left the country to work abroad. "Ukrainian army is revered" Yeah, so much that the Ukraine immediately banned Ukrainian men from leaving the country [0] and Ukrainian ministry of Defense wanted to disallow movement of potential conscripts around the country [1]. "Russians who consider (not without a point) their army to be a bunch of losers and criminals; nobody goes to army in Russia unless they got no other options" That was true 20 years ago in Eltsin's time and right after him, your information is seriously outdated. Please don't post the links to random people on twitter, post links to polls instead. "Russia can’t manufacture tanks anymore - and not because of electronics, but metallurgy" That was funny. Where do you get these jokes? [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-rules-keeping-men-in-country-undermine-war-against-russia-2022-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-rules-keeping-men-... [1] https://visitukraine.today/blog/611/the-ministry-of-defense-confirmed-the-cancellation-of-limitations-on-movement-through-ukraine-for-conscripts https://visitukraine.today/blog/611/the-ministry-of-defense-...
        _kbh_ 4y ago
        Russia is forcing conscripts into being contract soldiers and signing up people from prisons because their army is so good and everyone wants to be a soldier.
        gdy 4y ago
        You are misrepresenting a couple of isolated cases in the beginning of the war and what looks like fake news as full picture. Meanwhile in the Ukraine: "According to a July 11 report in Ukrainian media, Ruslan Onishenko, commander of the now-disbanded Tornado Battalion, was freed as part of President Zelensky’s scheme to release prisoners with combat experience. Along with an unwavering commitment to fascism, Onishenko is known as a psychopathic sadist who was involved in sexually assaulting children, brutally torturing prisoners, and murder. Onishenko’s release follows a February 27 order by Zelensky to free other convicted former Tornado members like Danil “Mujahed” Lyashuk, a fanatic from Belarus who has openly emulated ISIS and boasted of torturing captives for sheer enjoyment. According to Zelensky‘s decree, prisoners with combat experience would be allowed to “compensate for their guilt” by fighting in the “hottest spots.”" [0] [0] https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convicted-child-rape-torture-military/ https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convic...

by trasz 4y ago

gdy 4y ago

"(superior) Ukrainian nation" Speaking like a Nazi now, aren't you? Ukraine über alles, right?

trasz 4y ago
No, it's just that while USSR was a proper country with a diverse and often beautiful culture, the main achievement of post-USSR Russia was selling off things inherited from USSR. Can you quote any other major post-1990 Russian achievements? Of course I'm asking about those that actually exist, not vaporware like the Armata tank, or Su-57, or "Sotnik".
- gdy 4y ago
  Of course I can - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32398991 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32398991 Now please quote any achievements of post-Soviet Ukraine.
  - trasz 4y ago
    >Now please quote any achievements of post-Soviet Ukraine. How about establishing a country its citizens care for? Ukrainian army is revered; compare this to Russians who consider (not without a point) their army to be a bunch of losers and criminals; nobody goes to army in Russia unless they got no other options (cf https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1499377671855292423 https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1499377671855292423 and other threads there). Same about the military industry; let me remind you Russia can’t manufacture tanks anymore - and not because of electronics, but metallurgy.
    - gdy 4y ago
      "How about establishing a country its citizens care for?" What does it even mean? Try googling the pre-war numbers of Ukrainians who left the country to work abroad. "Ukrainian army is revered" Yeah, so much that the Ukraine immediately banned Ukrainian men from leaving the country [0] and Ukrainian ministry of Defense wanted to disallow movement of potential conscripts around the country [1]. "Russians who consider (not without a point) their army to be a bunch of losers and criminals; nobody goes to army in Russia unless they got no other options" That was true 20 years ago in Eltsin's time and right after him, your information is seriously outdated. Please don't post the links to random people on twitter, post links to polls instead. "Russia can’t manufacture tanks anymore - and not because of electronics, but metallurgy" That was funny. Where do you get these jokes? [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-rules-keeping-men-in-country-undermine-war-against-russia-2022-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-rules-keeping-men-... [1] https://visitukraine.today/blog/611/the-ministry-of-defense-confirmed-the-cancellation-of-limitations-on-movement-through-ukraine-for-conscripts https://visitukraine.today/blog/611/the-ministry-of-defense-...
      - _kbh_ 4y ago
        Russia is forcing conscripts into being contract soldiers and signing up people from prisons because their army is so good and everyone wants to be a soldier.
        gdy 4y ago
        You are misrepresenting a couple of isolated cases in the beginning of the war and what looks like fake news as full picture. Meanwhile in the Ukraine: "According to a July 11 report in Ukrainian media, Ruslan Onishenko, commander of the now-disbanded Tornado Battalion, was freed as part of President Zelensky’s scheme to release prisoners with combat experience. Along with an unwavering commitment to fascism, Onishenko is known as a psychopathic sadist who was involved in sexually assaulting children, brutally torturing prisoners, and murder. Onishenko’s release follows a February 27 order by Zelensky to free other convicted former Tornado members like Danil “Mujahed” Lyashuk, a fanatic from Belarus who has openly emulated ISIS and boasted of torturing captives for sheer enjoyment. According to Zelensky‘s decree, prisoners with combat experience would be allowed to “compensate for their guilt” by fighting in the “hottest spots.”" [0] [0] https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convicted-child-rape-torture-military/ https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convic...