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I really hope FSD isn't heading down the path of setting a dangerous precedent that tech advancements must be perfect before society utilizes them. We have a te

by toolz 4y ago

I really hope FSD isn't heading down the path of setting a dangerous precedent that tech advancements must be perfect before society utilizes them. We have a technology that we know will reduce death and injury and likely by a drastic margin, but we're not utilizing it because it isn't perfect yet?

mikestew 4y ago
...because it isn't perfect yet? No, because it hasn't been demonstrated to even work as promised, let alone "isn't perfect".
- toolz 4y ago
  They release quarterly data that shows it works as promised and is much safer than human drivers on highways.
  - ra7 4y ago
    Those statistics are for Autopilot only. They hide FSD data. That data is also super misleading as they compare Autopilot highway crash rates with statistics for an average car (which is older and has fewer safety features than newer cars) that includes city driving (which is much less safe than highway driving). It's designed to advertise Autopilot as safer than it really is. In reality, it's about as safe as any new car with standard safety features (AEB, collision avoidance, lane keep etc).
  - gamblor956 4y ago
    I have to drive with Teslas every day on my way to work. Teslas drive like drunk drivers, whether using AP or FSD. Tesla fans might feel like they are safer, but from the perspective of someone else on the road, they are objectively less safe, unless you consider swerving, randomly slamming on the brakes, and tailgating to be examples of safe driving. And Tesla's AP system has more recorded fatalities than all of their competitors, combined. By the numbers, NHTSA data shows that Teslas are 50x more likely to get into an accident using AP or FSD than a Ford or Toyota; and the nearest legacy automaker is still 1/3rd as likely to get into an accident as a Tesla using AP/FSD.
    - mikestew 4y ago
      ...and tailgating Is that a AP/FSD thing? I ask only because just this weekend there was a Tesla on my rear bumper in a 30mph zone, and I had the cruise set to 34mph. I did wonder whether it was the computer, or if the driver was just an ass. Regardless, after a number of miles I grew tired of it, let's give 'em a healthy brake tap. Just enough to get the hint, I don't want anyone spilling coffee on themselves. So I give the brakes a good jab, and immediately back off. Next thing I know, I hear the tire chirp of ABS kicking in, and I look in the rearview to see the Tesla stopped in the middle of the road. Oops, sorry (not sorry?), not exactly what I was going for. OTOH, maybe you or the car will quit riding people's asses now. And I'll admit I got a good chuckle out of it.

by toolz 4y ago

mikestew 4y ago

...because it isn't perfect yet? No, because it hasn't been demonstrated to even work as promised, let alone "isn't perfect".

toolz 4y ago
They release quarterly data that shows it works as promised and is much safer than human drivers on highways.
- ra7 4y ago
  Those statistics are for Autopilot only. They hide FSD data. That data is also super misleading as they compare Autopilot highway crash rates with statistics for an average car (which is older and has fewer safety features than newer cars) that includes city driving (which is much less safe than highway driving). It's designed to advertise Autopilot as safer than it really is. In reality, it's about as safe as any new car with standard safety features (AEB, collision avoidance, lane keep etc).
- gamblor956 4y ago
  I have to drive with Teslas every day on my way to work. Teslas drive like drunk drivers, whether using AP or FSD. Tesla fans might feel like they are safer, but from the perspective of someone else on the road, they are objectively less safe, unless you consider swerving, randomly slamming on the brakes, and tailgating to be examples of safe driving. And Tesla's AP system has more recorded fatalities than all of their competitors, combined. By the numbers, NHTSA data shows that Teslas are 50x more likely to get into an accident using AP or FSD than a Ford or Toyota; and the nearest legacy automaker is still 1/3rd as likely to get into an accident as a Tesla using AP/FSD.
  - mikestew 4y ago
    ...and tailgating Is that a AP/FSD thing? I ask only because just this weekend there was a Tesla on my rear bumper in a 30mph zone, and I had the cruise set to 34mph. I did wonder whether it was the computer, or if the driver was just an ass. Regardless, after a number of miles I grew tired of it, let's give 'em a healthy brake tap. Just enough to get the hint, I don't want anyone spilling coffee on themselves. So I give the brakes a good jab, and immediately back off. Next thing I know, I hear the tire chirp of ABS kicking in, and I look in the rearview to see the Tesla stopped in the middle of the road. Oops, sorry (not sorry?), not exactly what I was going for. OTOH, maybe you or the car will quit riding people's asses now. And I'll admit I got a good chuckle out of it.