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tl;dr because yakuza members aren’t allowed to sign new contracts since 2011. And if they did it would be fraud which enables police to investigate further. Thi

tl;dr because yakuza members aren’t allowed to sign new contracts since 2011. And if they did it would be fraud which enables police to investigate further. This is such a large contrast to cell phone stores I worked at in USA. You didn’t need any ID or any form of identification. You didn’t need to sign anything. It was normal to wear hoodies and masks in the store(it was a ghetto area and during Covid) You could go into the phone store and hand some minimum wage employee $70 and walk out with an anonymous phone in 5 minutes.

danjoredd 4y ago
Im surprised that the Yakuza doesn't have a fake ID section in its business. Its not like they follow the law anyway. As long as they keep the fake identities looking legit, how would the police know they were using fakes?
- unknownaccount 4y ago
  Using IDs as an authentication method worked okay in previous decades maybe but now anybody can order a fake ID that looks 99% real from the Philippines for $400 and they are so common even teenagers have them to get into bars. Also at this phone company, it a person forgot their PIN and no working device to receive it then it could be reset if they had their ID. Meaning 99.9% of accounts at <major US phone company> could be hacked for a mere $400. I understand why they do it, after selling 1000+ phones on the sales floor to the general public, you wouldn’t believe how many people forgot their PIN when it came time to get a new phone. Usually once their old one broke - and then there’s this massive pressure being put on us by the customers to help them get back into their phone number, for which they often have 2fa configured on all their important accounts and all their pictures backup on Google, as well as a massive pressure being put on us by our bosses to sell boxes even if it means skirting the official rules for PIN resets. Account security at major US phone companies is nearly non existent.
  - danjoredd 4y ago
    What do they use instead of an ID then?
    - unknownaccount 4y ago
      We would just ask them verbally for a first and last name + address.
      - danjoredd 4y ago
        Why wouldn't they just fake that, though?
        unknownaccount 4y ago
        Because then if something happened they won't be able to recover their account with their ID. most peoples phone account is pretty important to them. But if someone wants to use a fake name to maintain their privacy personally I see nothing wrong with that. Phone companies sell customers personal information all the time(location history, etc) to unscrupulous 3rd parties so a better question is why would you want to give a pre-paid phone company your real name?
        danjoredd 4y ago
        Thats the point I am making. The Yakuza doesn't follow the law, presumably they want to stay Anonymous, so why is getting new phones a problem? Just lie about your identity, get your phone, continue being the Yakuza but with more modern tech.
        unknownaccount 4y ago
        I think this problem only exists on paper and not in reality.
  - Macha 4y ago
nslzk 4y ago

danjoredd 4y ago

Im surprised that the Yakuza doesn't have a fake ID section in its business. Its not like they follow the law anyway. As long as they keep the fake identities looking legit, how would the police know they were using fakes?

unknownaccount 4y ago
Using IDs as an authentication method worked okay in previous decades maybe but now anybody can order a fake ID that looks 99% real from the Philippines for $400 and they are so common even teenagers have them to get into bars. Also at this phone company, it a person forgot their PIN and no working device to receive it then it could be reset if they had their ID. Meaning 99.9% of accounts at <major US phone company> could be hacked for a mere $400. I understand why they do it, after selling 1000+ phones on the sales floor to the general public, you wouldn’t believe how many people forgot their PIN when it came time to get a new phone. Usually once their old one broke - and then there’s this massive pressure being put on us by the customers to help them get back into their phone number, for which they often have 2fa configured on all their important accounts and all their pictures backup on Google, as well as a massive pressure being put on us by our bosses to sell boxes even if it means skirting the official rules for PIN resets. Account security at major US phone companies is nearly non existent.
- danjoredd 4y ago
  What do they use instead of an ID then?
  - unknownaccount 4y ago
    We would just ask them verbally for a first and last name + address.
    - danjoredd 4y ago
      Why wouldn't they just fake that, though?
      - unknownaccount 4y ago
        Because then if something happened they won't be able to recover their account with their ID. most peoples phone account is pretty important to them. But if someone wants to use a fake name to maintain their privacy personally I see nothing wrong with that. Phone companies sell customers personal information all the time(location history, etc) to unscrupulous 3rd parties so a better question is why would you want to give a pre-paid phone company your real name?
        danjoredd 4y ago
        Thats the point I am making. The Yakuza doesn't follow the law, presumably they want to stay Anonymous, so why is getting new phones a problem? Just lie about your identity, get your phone, continue being the Yakuza but with more modern tech.
        unknownaccount 4y ago
        I think this problem only exists on paper and not in reality.
- Macha 4y ago

nslzk 4y ago