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How is it fraudulent - they dont claim to be selling L5 FSD?

adoxyz 4y ago
On Tesla's website under the Autopilot page, there is a video that opens up with "The car is doing all the driving. The driver is just there for legal purposes" https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot That paired with the name of "Full Self Driving" really does a good job of implying that the car drivers itself...
belkinpower 4y ago
Words have meanings. If you call something “full self-driving” you can’t get upset when people assume it means full self-driving.
- misiti3780 4y ago
  So just so I understand, you think there are Tesla owners that think they have Full self driving because the Tesla website calls it FSD?
  - ra7 4y ago
    But why even call it FSD if it's not fully self driving? There's no reason to use a misleading name in the first place.
    - acdha 4y ago
      The absurdity of that point becomes obvious when you look at it from a business perspective: Tesla’s marketing department wants that there because it sounds better than what their competitors offer. They wouldn’t make it so prominent if they didn’t want you to take exactly that impression.
      - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
        Buying FSD now is really just buying a promise that FSD will be delivered in the future. Whether Tesla will actually achieve FSD is debatable. Personally, I think they will. Yes, even with vision-only. It's going to be several more years, but I think they'll get there eventually. But what do you call it when you're selling that feature to customers today?
        acdha 4y ago
        Especially if it’s tied to the vehicle. How many people who paid for FSD originally will have sold their car or had it reach the end of its service life by the time anything like the original promise is delivered?
        misiti3780 4y ago
        who cares what they call it. if you buy a software package thinking it's fsd in 2022 with zero research, it's on you. i feel like half the downvoters in this chain are fighting the good fight for .00001% of tesla owners, who happen to be some of the dumbest consumers on planet earth.
        acdha 4y ago
        Do you think all Tesla buyers are skilled software engineers or ML researchers? I guarantee you that a lot of people believed Tesla’s and especially Elon’s claims that this was right around the corner, and don’t have the appropriate experience to understand that there are multiple fundamental improvements needed before this will actually deliver. I know multiple people who are quite smart but didn’t have the experience to understand that it’s not like, say, buying a game at launch expecting it to be patched in a few months but more like a bunch of people doing Ph.D-level research which likely won’t ship in the life of their car.
        misiti3780 4y ago
        how do you need a PhD to google "Tesla FSD" on youtube and watch some videos. Your claim is ridiculous.
  - HelloMcFly 4y ago
    I think it's highly likely that someone thinks this, yes.
  - _ea1k 4y ago
    No, but I do think people who don't own one sometimes buy the car thinking that they are getting FSD.
  - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
    Spend time on a Tesla owner's Facebook group and you'll see that yes, there are definitely Tesla owners that think that. They buy a Tesla with FSD and then get upset when they find out that FSD isn't actually FSD.
    - misiti3780 4y ago
      I believe it - some portion of the population is just isnt intelligent. There are flat earthers, there are climate change deniers. Who cares.
- v0idzer0 4y ago
  But you can get upset when people ignore the numerous warnings from the car which beeps at you if you take your hands off the wheel or look away from the road for too long. I find I drive better with it, because the car literally forces me to pay attention.

On Tesla's website under the Autopilot page, there is a video that opens up with "The car is doing all the driving. The driver is just there for legal purposes" https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot That paired with the name of "Full Self Driving" really does a good job of implying that the car drivers itself...

belkinpower 4y ago

Words have meanings. If you call something “full self-driving” you can’t get upset when people assume it means full self-driving.

misiti3780 4y ago
So just so I understand, you think there are Tesla owners that think they have Full self driving because the Tesla website calls it FSD?
- ra7 4y ago
  But why even call it FSD if it's not fully self driving? There's no reason to use a misleading name in the first place.
  - acdha 4y ago
    The absurdity of that point becomes obvious when you look at it from a business perspective: Tesla’s marketing department wants that there because it sounds better than what their competitors offer. They wouldn’t make it so prominent if they didn’t want you to take exactly that impression.
    - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
      Buying FSD now is really just buying a promise that FSD will be delivered in the future. Whether Tesla will actually achieve FSD is debatable. Personally, I think they will. Yes, even with vision-only. It's going to be several more years, but I think they'll get there eventually. But what do you call it when you're selling that feature to customers today?
      - acdha 4y ago
        Especially if it’s tied to the vehicle. How many people who paid for FSD originally will have sold their car or had it reach the end of its service life by the time anything like the original promise is delivered?
      - misiti3780 4y ago
        who cares what they call it. if you buy a software package thinking it's fsd in 2022 with zero research, it's on you. i feel like half the downvoters in this chain are fighting the good fight for .00001% of tesla owners, who happen to be some of the dumbest consumers on planet earth.
        acdha 4y ago
        Do you think all Tesla buyers are skilled software engineers or ML researchers? I guarantee you that a lot of people believed Tesla’s and especially Elon’s claims that this was right around the corner, and don’t have the appropriate experience to understand that there are multiple fundamental improvements needed before this will actually deliver. I know multiple people who are quite smart but didn’t have the experience to understand that it’s not like, say, buying a game at launch expecting it to be patched in a few months but more like a bunch of people doing Ph.D-level research which likely won’t ship in the life of their car.
        misiti3780 4y ago
        how do you need a PhD to google "Tesla FSD" on youtube and watch some videos. Your claim is ridiculous.
- HelloMcFly 4y ago
  I think it's highly likely that someone thinks this, yes.
- _ea1k 4y ago
  No, but I do think people who don't own one sometimes buy the car thinking that they are getting FSD.
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  Spend time on a Tesla owner's Facebook group and you'll see that yes, there are definitely Tesla owners that think that. They buy a Tesla with FSD and then get upset when they find out that FSD isn't actually FSD.
  - misiti3780 4y ago
    I believe it - some portion of the population is just isnt intelligent. There are flat earthers, there are climate change deniers. Who cares.
v0idzer0 4y ago
But you can get upset when people ignore the numerous warnings from the car which beeps at you if you take your hands off the wheel or look away from the road for too long. I find I drive better with it, because the car literally forces me to pay attention.