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Sorry but that’s not trust, that’s distrust. If you trusted your team members, you’d see the clear efficiency in having a single, shared place to check what peo

Sorry but that’s not trust, that’s distrust. If you trusted your team members, you’d see the clear efficiency in having a single, shared place to check what people can do for one another to make doing the work easier. You don’t want to communicate on a daily cadence because the communication costs you more than you get out of it. That’s a problem. You should be demanding a daily standup, not running from it.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
How about we stop pushing one's own way of working and way of thinking as the absolute truth? If stand-ups were truly the panacea you claim they are, it would be beyond trivial to find evidence in the decades they have been used. Yet that hasn't been the case, and debates devolve into clashing rationalities at best, fanatics ignoring or fighting each other at worst. >You should be demanding a daily standup The only things I demand from people in a professional setting are progress and results. How they reach is none of my concern until it is evident intervention is required. A daily standup does not guarantee an improvement in either of the two.
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- NotTameAntelope 4y ago
  You don't get to have "your own way" of working entirely, as you work with others. Even if you don't get value out of daily standups because you don't know how to make use of them, others won't let their inability to understand the process stop them. This is not a "different ways of working" thing in the same way as "I don't use a keyboard" isn't a "different way of working". This is 100% a "you" problem if you can't figure out how to get value out of a daily standup, and whoever is leading your agile effort should be helping you. Honestly I'm tired of people like you getting a pass, which you've clearly become accustomed to, but this one is so basic, so easy to do correctly, and so easy to extract value out of, you must actively be fighting the system in order to struggle at this point. You literally go through a list of in-progress items, and people say, in a sentence or two, how they've moved that work forward and any issues they've encountered. Other people listen, and chime in if they can help, and stay quiet if they can't. It's dirt simple, and isn't replaced with async anything, as a) it's very quick and costs extremely little and b) there's no other way to know if what you're working on is relevant to other folks or not.
  - thunky 4y ago
    Have your noticed how there is hardly any agreement in this thread? Your opinion is one of many. You find daily stand-ups necessary and valuable. I don't. find them harmful. Everyone's opinion is informed by their own experience. In my experience, a standup is about as valuable as having a conversation with a brick wall.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago

How about we stop pushing one's own way of working and way of thinking as the absolute truth? If stand-ups were truly the panacea you claim they are, it would be beyond trivial to find evidence in the decades they have been used. Yet that hasn't been the case, and debates devolve into clashing rationalities at best, fanatics ignoring or fighting each other at worst. >You should be demanding a daily standup The only things I demand from people in a professional setting are progress and results. How they reach is none of my concern until it is evident intervention is required. A daily standup does not guarantee an improvement in either of the two.

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NotTameAntelope 4y ago
You don't get to have "your own way" of working entirely, as you work with others. Even if you don't get value out of daily standups because you don't know how to make use of them, others won't let their inability to understand the process stop them. This is not a "different ways of working" thing in the same way as "I don't use a keyboard" isn't a "different way of working". This is 100% a "you" problem if you can't figure out how to get value out of a daily standup, and whoever is leading your agile effort should be helping you. Honestly I'm tired of people like you getting a pass, which you've clearly become accustomed to, but this one is so basic, so easy to do correctly, and so easy to extract value out of, you must actively be fighting the system in order to struggle at this point. You literally go through a list of in-progress items, and people say, in a sentence or two, how they've moved that work forward and any issues they've encountered. Other people listen, and chime in if they can help, and stay quiet if they can't. It's dirt simple, and isn't replaced with async anything, as a) it's very quick and costs extremely little and b) there's no other way to know if what you're working on is relevant to other folks or not.
- thunky 4y ago
  Have your noticed how there is hardly any agreement in this thread? Your opinion is one of many. You find daily stand-ups necessary and valuable. I don't. find them harmful. Everyone's opinion is informed by their own experience. In my experience, a standup is about as valuable as having a conversation with a brick wall.